View Poll Results: Which handles better
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which handles better EVO RS or S2000
Originally Posted by AaronOZ
It might take away the credibility, but it does not take away the truthfulness.
And if you stopped reading right at that line, that shows your ignorance
No offense. 
And if you stopped reading right at that line, that shows your ignorance
No offense. how does that show my ignorance?
do you even know what ignorance means?
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i had an '03 S2000 and just bought a '06 IX MR. i drove the crap out of my S2K, including many, many track days and autoX events. with racing tires (yoko A032r) and racing brake pads, the S2K was an incredibly fun and challenging car to drive on the track. i must have spun it a dozen times before getting to grips with the handling balance. one thing, the steering feel in my S2K was a little...numb. not much feedback through the wheel. this may have improved in later model years?
while i haven't tracked it yet, i can already tell the evo is more confidence-inspiring, MUCH faster in a straight line, and just as fun to drive. both are great cars but the evo's practicality made it an easy choice for me. (it's hard to do much but drive in the S2K.)
while i haven't tracked it yet, i can already tell the evo is more confidence-inspiring, MUCH faster in a straight line, and just as fun to drive. both are great cars but the evo's practicality made it an easy choice for me. (it's hard to do much but drive in the S2K.)
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Here are some real lap times from the ring that I got from another forum.
6:59 --- Ferrari 312T, Niki Lauda, German GP, training (1975)
7:06 --- Ferrari 312T, Clay Regazzoni, German GP, race (1975)
*1.2m longer circuit than standard Nordschleife
6:11 --- Porsche 956, Group C, Stefan Bellof, training (1983)
6:26 --- Porsche 956, Group C, Stefan Bellof, race (1983)
6:41 --- Porsche 956, Group C, Derek Bell
7:50 --- BMW X5 Le Mans V12, Hans Stuck (2001)
*0.232 km longer than current, standard Nordschleife
7:06 --- BMW M3 GTR, 24hrs, test session, Jörg Müller (2003)
7:18.1-- Donkervoort D8 RS (12/2004)
7:19 --- Radical SR3 Turbo (2003), >>> Link
7:20* -- Opel Astra DTM V8 Coupe, set-up for 24hrs race (sport auto 2003) *estimated
7:25 --- Alzen Motorsport Porsche 996, 24hrs race, Uwe Alzen
7:28 --- Porsche Carrera GT, Walther Röhrl, Autobild July 2004 >>> Link
7:32.4 -- Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time by Horst Von Saurma
7:32.5 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (2001) M
7:36 --- Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (2002)
7:40* -- Porsche Carrera GT, *estimated time on cold and partially wet track (2003)
7:40 --- Mercedes Benz McLaren SLR, Klaus Ludwig, Autobild July 2004 >>> Link
7:42 --- Radical 1500 SR3 (2002)
7:43 --- 2006 Corvette Z06
7:43 --- TechArt GT Street (2001) M
7:43 --- Porsche 996 911 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Rohrl, MOTOR Magazine
7:43.5 - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine, 2002)
7:44 --- Pagani Zonda C12S (07/2003)
7:45 --- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 (12/2000)
7:46 --- Porsche 996 GT2
7:46 --- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652 PS (1999) M
7:47 --- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381PS (996) (2004)
7:49 --- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup
7:50 --- BMW E46 M3 CSL (08/2003)
7:50 --- Blitz Supra, 750 PS, Herbert Schürg (1997) M
7:50 --- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne (1993)
7:50 --- Lamborghini Murcielago (06/2002)
7:52 --- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (1995) M
7:52 --- Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (12/2003)
7:52 --- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (06/2004)
7:54 --- Porsche GT3 (996) (2003)
7:55 --- Caterham R500 Superlight (2002)
7:56 --- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale (02/2004)
7:56 --- Porsche 996 Turbo
7:56 --- Honda NSX-R - Motoharu Kurosawa, Best MOTORing
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette CE Z06 >>> link
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (tested by Dave Hill)
7:57 --- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600 PS, racing suspension M
7:59 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Performance Chassis) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:02 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Sport PASM setting) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:03 --- Porsche 996 GT3 (1999)
8:04 --- Lamborghini Diablo GT (07/2000)
8:05 --- Ferrari 575M Maranello F1 (12/2002)
8:05 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Normal PASM setting)(Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:06 --- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG
8:06 --- Caterham 7 Superlight R, Robert Nearn
8:06 --- Subaru Impreza Sti spec C - Motoharu Kurosawa, Best MOTORing
8:07 --- Ferrari 550 Maranello (06/1998)
8:09 --- Honda NSX-R 3.2 (08/2002)
8:09 --- Ferrari 360 Modena (10/1999)
8:09 --- Lamborghini Diablo SV (no ABS?)
8:10 --- Chrysler Viper GTS, 411PS, UK-Spec, no ABS (10/1997)
8:10 --- Donkervoort D8 180R
8:11 --- Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX (Video Here)
8:12 --- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (04/2002)
8:12 --- Porsche 993 Turbo
8:13 --- Lotus Esprit Sport 350, 354 PS (05/1999)
8:13 --- Dodge Viper SRT-10, 506 PS (10/2004)
8:13 --- BMW M5 (E60) (12/2004)
8:15 --- Ruf 911 CTR 2, 520 PS
8:15*-- Holden GTS (2000), *estimated
8:15 --- Porsche 911 Carrera 2 (997) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:16 --- AC-Schnitzer E36 M3 CLS II, 350 PS (11/1997) M
8:16 --- AC Schnitzer Z4 V8 Topster (01/2005)
8:17 --- Aston Martin Vanquish (2003)
8:17 --- Porsche 996 C2
8:18 --- BMW Z8, 400 PS (08/2000)
8:18 --- Chevrolet Corvette Z05 Commemorative Edition, 344 PS (09/2003)
8:18 --- Ferrari F355 (06/1997)
8:20 --- Audi RS6 (2002)
8:22 --- BMW E46 M3 (12/2000)
8:22 --- BMW M Coupe, 321 PS (10/1998)
8:22 --- Mercedes-Benz C55 (07/2004)
8:23 --- Aston Martin DB7 GT (2003)
8:23 --- Porsche 996 Carrera 4
8:24 --- Subaru Impreza WRX STi (2004)
8:25 --- Audi RS4 375 HP
8:25 --- Callaway C12
8:25 --- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VI (11/1999)
8:25 --- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VII (11/2002)
8:26 --- Mercedes Benz SLK 32 AMG (05/2001)
8:26 --- Nissan 350Z (2003)
8:28 --- BMW M5, 400 PS (also confirmed by Motor Commodore magazine, 2000)
8:28 --- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277 PS
8:28 --- Porsche 993 Carrera 2
8:29 --- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG (05/2000)
8:29 --- Audi S4 4.2 Avant (11/2003)
8:30 --- Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa (10/2002)
8:31 --- Ferrari F355 GTS, 380 PS
8:32 --- BMW M Roadster, 321 PS (09/1997)
8:32 --- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG (05/2003)
8:32 --- Porsche Boxster S
8:32 --- Volkswagen Golf R32
8:34 --- Acura NSX, 276 PS
8:34 --- BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i, 231 PS (04/2001)
8:35 --- BMW M3 Coupe, 321 PS
8:35 --- Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé (02/2002) M
8:35 --- BMW 130i >>> Link
8:36 --- BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321 PS
8:36 --- Alpina-BMW B3 3.3 Coupé (07/1999) M
8:37 --- Maserati 3200GT (2002)
8:37 --- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG (09/2001)
8:37 --- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS
8:37 --- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo
8:37 --- Honda NSX 3.0 (07/1991)
8:38 --- Honda NSX 3.2 (08/1997)
8:38 --- Mercedes Benz SL500 (12/2001)
8:38 --- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296 PS
8:38 --- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8 (12/1998) M
8:39 --- Honda S2000 (01/2000)
8:39 --- Morgan Aero 8 (04/2003)
8:40 --- Holden GTS, on an in and out lap (2000)
8:40 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5 Targa Automatic (07/1997)
8:41 --- Aston Martin DB7 (1999)
8:41 --- Audi S3, 210 PS (06/1999)
8:42 --- Audi S4, 265 PS (08/1998)
8:42 --- Lotus Exige (11/2000)
8:43 --- Honda Integra Type R (12/2000)
8:44 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5
8:45 --- Chevrolet Corvette, 339 PS, automatic
8:46 --- Porsche 993 Carrera S, 285 PS
8:47 --- Honda Civic Type-R, 200 PS (11/2001)
8:49 --- Jaguar XKR Coupe (07/1998)
8:49 --- Renault Clio Sport V6
8:49 --- Audi TT 1.8T quattro Coupé, 225 PS (11/1998)
8:50* -- Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (2000)
8:51 --- Mercedes Benz C43 AMG (02/1998)
8:52 --- Mercedes Benz CLK 430
8:58 --- Lotus Esprit Turbo SE (07/1991)
9:09 --- Volkswagen Golf V6 4Motion
All times in bold print were tested by Horst von Saurma, sport auto magazine
M= Modified
6:59 --- Ferrari 312T, Niki Lauda, German GP, training (1975)
7:06 --- Ferrari 312T, Clay Regazzoni, German GP, race (1975)
*1.2m longer circuit than standard Nordschleife
6:11 --- Porsche 956, Group C, Stefan Bellof, training (1983)
6:26 --- Porsche 956, Group C, Stefan Bellof, race (1983)
6:41 --- Porsche 956, Group C, Derek Bell
7:50 --- BMW X5 Le Mans V12, Hans Stuck (2001)
*0.232 km longer than current, standard Nordschleife
7:06 --- BMW M3 GTR, 24hrs, test session, Jörg Müller (2003)
7:18.1-- Donkervoort D8 RS (12/2004)
7:19 --- Radical SR3 Turbo (2003), >>> Link
7:20* -- Opel Astra DTM V8 Coupe, set-up for 24hrs race (sport auto 2003) *estimated
7:25 --- Alzen Motorsport Porsche 996, 24hrs race, Uwe Alzen
7:28 --- Porsche Carrera GT, Walther Röhrl, Autobild July 2004 >>> Link
7:32.4 -- Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time by Horst Von Saurma
7:32.5 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (2001) M
7:36 --- Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (2002)
7:40* -- Porsche Carrera GT, *estimated time on cold and partially wet track (2003)
7:40 --- Mercedes Benz McLaren SLR, Klaus Ludwig, Autobild July 2004 >>> Link
7:42 --- Radical 1500 SR3 (2002)
7:43 --- 2006 Corvette Z06
7:43 --- TechArt GT Street (2001) M
7:43 --- Porsche 996 911 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Rohrl, MOTOR Magazine
7:43.5 - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine, 2002)
7:44 --- Pagani Zonda C12S (07/2003)
7:45 --- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 (12/2000)
7:46 --- Porsche 996 GT2
7:46 --- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652 PS (1999) M
7:47 --- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381PS (996) (2004)
7:49 --- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup
7:50 --- BMW E46 M3 CSL (08/2003)
7:50 --- Blitz Supra, 750 PS, Herbert Schürg (1997) M
7:50 --- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne (1993)
7:50 --- Lamborghini Murcielago (06/2002)
7:52 --- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (1995) M
7:52 --- Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (12/2003)
7:52 --- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (06/2004)
7:54 --- Porsche GT3 (996) (2003)
7:55 --- Caterham R500 Superlight (2002)
7:56 --- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale (02/2004)
7:56 --- Porsche 996 Turbo
7:56 --- Honda NSX-R - Motoharu Kurosawa, Best MOTORing
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette CE Z06 >>> link
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (tested by Dave Hill)
7:57 --- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600 PS, racing suspension M
7:59 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Performance Chassis) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:02 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Sport PASM setting) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:03 --- Porsche 996 GT3 (1999)
8:04 --- Lamborghini Diablo GT (07/2000)
8:05 --- Ferrari 575M Maranello F1 (12/2002)
8:05 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Normal PASM setting)(Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:06 --- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG
8:06 --- Caterham 7 Superlight R, Robert Nearn
8:06 --- Subaru Impreza Sti spec C - Motoharu Kurosawa, Best MOTORing
8:07 --- Ferrari 550 Maranello (06/1998)
8:09 --- Honda NSX-R 3.2 (08/2002)
8:09 --- Ferrari 360 Modena (10/1999)
8:09 --- Lamborghini Diablo SV (no ABS?)
8:10 --- Chrysler Viper GTS, 411PS, UK-Spec, no ABS (10/1997)
8:10 --- Donkervoort D8 180R
8:11 --- Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX (Video Here)
8:12 --- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (04/2002)
8:12 --- Porsche 993 Turbo
8:13 --- Lotus Esprit Sport 350, 354 PS (05/1999)
8:13 --- Dodge Viper SRT-10, 506 PS (10/2004)
8:13 --- BMW M5 (E60) (12/2004)
8:15 --- Ruf 911 CTR 2, 520 PS
8:15*-- Holden GTS (2000), *estimated
8:15 --- Porsche 911 Carrera 2 (997) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:16 --- AC-Schnitzer E36 M3 CLS II, 350 PS (11/1997) M
8:16 --- AC Schnitzer Z4 V8 Topster (01/2005)
8:17 --- Aston Martin Vanquish (2003)
8:17 --- Porsche 996 C2
8:18 --- BMW Z8, 400 PS (08/2000)
8:18 --- Chevrolet Corvette Z05 Commemorative Edition, 344 PS (09/2003)
8:18 --- Ferrari F355 (06/1997)
8:20 --- Audi RS6 (2002)
8:22 --- BMW E46 M3 (12/2000)
8:22 --- BMW M Coupe, 321 PS (10/1998)
8:22 --- Mercedes-Benz C55 (07/2004)
8:23 --- Aston Martin DB7 GT (2003)
8:23 --- Porsche 996 Carrera 4
8:24 --- Subaru Impreza WRX STi (2004)
8:25 --- Audi RS4 375 HP
8:25 --- Callaway C12
8:25 --- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VI (11/1999)
8:25 --- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VII (11/2002)
8:26 --- Mercedes Benz SLK 32 AMG (05/2001)
8:26 --- Nissan 350Z (2003)
8:28 --- BMW M5, 400 PS (also confirmed by Motor Commodore magazine, 2000)
8:28 --- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277 PS
8:28 --- Porsche 993 Carrera 2
8:29 --- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG (05/2000)
8:29 --- Audi S4 4.2 Avant (11/2003)
8:30 --- Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa (10/2002)
8:31 --- Ferrari F355 GTS, 380 PS
8:32 --- BMW M Roadster, 321 PS (09/1997)
8:32 --- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG (05/2003)
8:32 --- Porsche Boxster S
8:32 --- Volkswagen Golf R32
8:34 --- Acura NSX, 276 PS
8:34 --- BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i, 231 PS (04/2001)
8:35 --- BMW M3 Coupe, 321 PS
8:35 --- Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé (02/2002) M
8:35 --- BMW 130i >>> Link
8:36 --- BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321 PS
8:36 --- Alpina-BMW B3 3.3 Coupé (07/1999) M
8:37 --- Maserati 3200GT (2002)
8:37 --- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG (09/2001)
8:37 --- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS
8:37 --- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo
8:37 --- Honda NSX 3.0 (07/1991)
8:38 --- Honda NSX 3.2 (08/1997)
8:38 --- Mercedes Benz SL500 (12/2001)
8:38 --- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296 PS
8:38 --- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8 (12/1998) M
8:39 --- Honda S2000 (01/2000)
8:39 --- Morgan Aero 8 (04/2003)
8:40 --- Holden GTS, on an in and out lap (2000)
8:40 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5 Targa Automatic (07/1997)
8:41 --- Aston Martin DB7 (1999)
8:41 --- Audi S3, 210 PS (06/1999)
8:42 --- Audi S4, 265 PS (08/1998)
8:42 --- Lotus Exige (11/2000)
8:43 --- Honda Integra Type R (12/2000)
8:44 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5
8:45 --- Chevrolet Corvette, 339 PS, automatic
8:46 --- Porsche 993 Carrera S, 285 PS
8:47 --- Honda Civic Type-R, 200 PS (11/2001)
8:49 --- Jaguar XKR Coupe (07/1998)
8:49 --- Renault Clio Sport V6
8:49 --- Audi TT 1.8T quattro Coupé, 225 PS (11/1998)
8:50* -- Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (2000)
8:51 --- Mercedes Benz C43 AMG (02/1998)
8:52 --- Mercedes Benz CLK 430
8:58 --- Lotus Esprit Turbo SE (07/1991)
9:09 --- Volkswagen Golf V6 4Motion
All times in bold print were tested by Horst von Saurma, sport auto magazine
M= Modified
Last edited by bounce; Nov 7, 2005 at 02:56 PM.
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correction.. is the new buggatti.. which is the fastest car in the world, not AWD? Also its not really fair comparing $300,000 RWD cars to a $32,000 AWD car is it..ok how about this then, is there any other car that cost the same price of the evo that is RWD that is superior or equal on a road course?..there is very little research out there on racing AWD cars.. which to me is why I love to go watch the muellerized team whenever possible.. its funny how the little AWD car that maybe cost 65K to build out corners and out pulls high budget factory backed viper race teams at laguna seca. The kind of driver that is good enough to take advantage of rwd over awd is not that common.
Originally Posted by blonde
do you want to be the one that tells that to the ferrari/porsche/corvette/ariel atom/elise/aston martin guys because i think that they didn't get that memo... of course it was probably because they were too busy breaking records and tearing up the tracks 
don't get me wrong, i love AWD and it does have some adventages (crappy weather, exiting a turn etc..) but saying that it can't be beat is just wrong. the fastest cars in the world are still mostly RWD and there is a reason for that. RWD (espacially on light chassis with good weight dist) is very hard to beat for fun to drive and speed around the track. hell, i have seen so many honda crx's and mazda miata's that were pulling insane times and beating vipers around the track. a good driver in a car like the s2000 can definatly give the evo a good fight and can also win if he knows the car and knows how to pilot it. most of the professional drivers and instructors i know will choose a well setup RWD car for the track.
and if you don't believe me, i recommand that you do what i did (what really thought me a lesson about this). go out to a track near your house and try to find someone with a RWD car that is properly setup (spec miata, s2000 boxters etc..) and than you will see what things like 50/50 weight balance and a good chassis do around the track.
damn, i keep making these long posts even though i know nobody reads them.. i really gotta stop doing this
don't get me wrong, i love AWD and it does have some adventages (crappy weather, exiting a turn etc..) but saying that it can't be beat is just wrong. the fastest cars in the world are still mostly RWD and there is a reason for that. RWD (espacially on light chassis with good weight dist) is very hard to beat for fun to drive and speed around the track. hell, i have seen so many honda crx's and mazda miata's that were pulling insane times and beating vipers around the track. a good driver in a car like the s2000 can definatly give the evo a good fight and can also win if he knows the car and knows how to pilot it. most of the professional drivers and instructors i know will choose a well setup RWD car for the track. and if you don't believe me, i recommand that you do what i did (what really thought me a lesson about this). go out to a track near your house and try to find someone with a RWD car that is properly setup (spec miata, s2000 boxters etc..) and than you will see what things like 50/50 weight balance and a good chassis do around the track.
damn, i keep making these long posts even though i know nobody reads them.. i really gotta stop doing this
If the AutoX Nationals are any indication, there were NO Evo's in ASTock (AS) out of 45 drivers. It was won by a 1997 Porsche 911. A S2000 got 5th. There were a lot of S2000s Hmm...
However in ESP (E Street prepared) the EVOs took 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. With an STI in 5th, yo. There are no S2000s in this class. Mostly Mustangs and Camaros.
Mark Daddio got 5th in Street modified. Bad first day, fastest on the 2nd day. He had a bad event. He should have won.
However in ESP (E Street prepared) the EVOs took 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. With an STI in 5th, yo. There are no S2000s in this class. Mostly Mustangs and Camaros.
Mark Daddio got 5th in Street modified. Bad first day, fastest on the 2nd day. He had a bad event. He should have won.
Originally Posted by bdking57
correction.. is the new buggatti.. which is the fastest car in the world, not AWD? Also its not really fair comparing $300,000 RWD cars to a $32,000 AWD car is it..ok how about this then, is there any other car that cost the same price of the evo that is RWD that is superior or equal on a road course?..there is very little research out there on racing AWD cars.. which to me is why I love to go watch the muellerized team whenever possible.. its funny how the little AWD car that maybe cost 65K to build out corners and out pulls high budget factory backed viper race teams at laguna seca. The kind of driver that is good enough to take advantage of rwd over awd is not that common.
as for your comment about the 65k car that out corners viper teams, why not look at the spec miatas that cost about 25k to build and also can tear vipers and porsches into pieces? does that mean that a miata is better than porsche? hell no, but it does mean that the miata is a fantastic little car and it is very good at some things.
Originally Posted by TEXSRT4
i wish my parents would buy me an s2000. heck, all they gave me was advice "GET A JOB!" thats not fair! he will probably wreck it anyway!
i think you wanted to post in the thread about the newbie getting an MR from his parents
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bounce was that a stock evo IV that ran the 8:11? it looked like an MR? cool video but i wish i understood japanese.
edit: i'm amazed a base C6 vette is that fast.
edit: i'm amazed a base C6 vette is that fast.
Last edited by Happy Madison; Nov 7, 2005 at 03:44 PM.
Originally Posted by AaronOZ
alright, get ready for a long post. 
Here's my 2cents.
The reason for a stock Evo having the chance to beat a S2k is exiting, for most part. Albeit, I will not be suprised if a good driver beat an idiot Evo driver, and I'll explain why the word "Idiot".
A little bit of cornering stuff after hours and hours of GT4. When you drive a RWD car, the apex comes late. (Apex is where you approach the corner closest to the inside edge of the track) So for a RWD car, when you approach a corner, you step on the break, at this point all the weight of the car is hauled to the front of the car, if you turn and step on the gas, or WOT, too early(Wide Open Throttle), your car will oversteer, and go off the track. So what RWD car (with front engine) like S2k, you have to wait patiently until your weight is swing back to the rear and then you can gentally floor it.
So back to exiting. Since S2k is very capable, nice chassie and good handling, it maybe able to take a little bit more speed when exiting a fast corner but not a slow corner. So for a RWD car, the apex comes late, meaning when an AWD/FWD is on WOT(flooring it), you are still waiting for your apex to arrive.
And for why Evo is even better at exiting is because Mitsu use computer to sense weight transfer and using viscous coupling(correct me if not so) to transfer power to the wheels bear the most weight, so it efficiently accelerates out of a corner faster than everything else. I actually feel this when doing a fast corner, when the engine power transfers, you'll feel it.
Lastly, Evo is a powerful car. S2k is powerful too, but look at the torque. That horsepower is achieved by reving the engine up so high. Still s2k's engine is unbelievable for the reason that it's a 2.2L engine cranking out almost 250HP, that's more than 100/Liter!! That's very efficient, but not much torque.
So for the most part S2k can lose to evo is 1) late apex, late WOT, 2) Mitsu focus more on exiting speed by tranfering engine power to weighted wheels, and 3) S2k is not as powerful as evos. So with a good driver, I dont' see why not a S2k can beat an idiot driven Evo. And thus you can say that an Evo is somewhat more "idiot"-proof, because it has and early apex and better handling weight transfer.
By idiot I mean this: "Jack Lanier ends his column on cornering technique with 'Either you’re a fast guy or you’re an idiot. There’s no middle ground.' "
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=106488
More driving technique: http://www.sccawiregrass.org/course2.html
And by no means am I an expert in driving, just want to share my thoughts
Here's my 2cents.
The reason for a stock Evo having the chance to beat a S2k is exiting, for most part. Albeit, I will not be suprised if a good driver beat an idiot Evo driver, and I'll explain why the word "Idiot".
A little bit of cornering stuff after hours and hours of GT4. When you drive a RWD car, the apex comes late. (Apex is where you approach the corner closest to the inside edge of the track) So for a RWD car, when you approach a corner, you step on the break, at this point all the weight of the car is hauled to the front of the car, if you turn and step on the gas, or WOT, too early(Wide Open Throttle), your car will oversteer, and go off the track. So what RWD car (with front engine) like S2k, you have to wait patiently until your weight is swing back to the rear and then you can gentally floor it.
So back to exiting. Since S2k is very capable, nice chassie and good handling, it maybe able to take a little bit more speed when exiting a fast corner but not a slow corner. So for a RWD car, the apex comes late, meaning when an AWD/FWD is on WOT(flooring it), you are still waiting for your apex to arrive.
And for why Evo is even better at exiting is because Mitsu use computer to sense weight transfer and using viscous coupling(correct me if not so) to transfer power to the wheels bear the most weight, so it efficiently accelerates out of a corner faster than everything else. I actually feel this when doing a fast corner, when the engine power transfers, you'll feel it.
Lastly, Evo is a powerful car. S2k is powerful too, but look at the torque. That horsepower is achieved by reving the engine up so high. Still s2k's engine is unbelievable for the reason that it's a 2.2L engine cranking out almost 250HP, that's more than 100/Liter!! That's very efficient, but not much torque.
So for the most part S2k can lose to evo is 1) late apex, late WOT, 2) Mitsu focus more on exiting speed by tranfering engine power to weighted wheels, and 3) S2k is not as powerful as evos. So with a good driver, I dont' see why not a S2k can beat an idiot driven Evo. And thus you can say that an Evo is somewhat more "idiot"-proof, because it has and early apex and better handling weight transfer.
By idiot I mean this: "Jack Lanier ends his column on cornering technique with 'Either you’re a fast guy or you’re an idiot. There’s no middle ground.' "
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=106488
More driving technique: http://www.sccawiregrass.org/course2.html
And by no means am I an expert in driving, just want to share my thoughts
Originally Posted by blonde
i read the original post and i never said that your post was pointless. you said: " thanks, finally a preson that dosent have something bad to say about a stock suspention car"
and i told you that throughout the thread, nobody said anything bad about stock suspension (either the EVO or the S2000).
also, i really couldn't care less who won the poll. let's be honest here, this is an evo board and we have a lot of members that truly beleive that the EVO is the greatest car in the world and that no other car can ever compare. some of us on the other hand, have no problem addmiting that the evo is a nice car but there are many cars out there who would kill it in many different conditions.
and i told you that throughout the thread, nobody said anything bad about stock suspension (either the EVO or the S2000).
also, i really couldn't care less who won the poll. let's be honest here, this is an evo board and we have a lot of members that truly beleive that the EVO is the greatest car in the world and that no other car can ever compare. some of us on the other hand, have no problem addmiting that the evo is a nice car but there are many cars out there who would kill it in many different conditions.
i couldn't agree with you more...A+ 100%
Originally Posted by wrxrocks
My evo will take any s200 under one codition, both must carry a child seat in the rear seat.
Originally Posted by 05 EVO RS
lol looks like the s2 has a slight problem.
come on now, you are comparing a sedan to a roadster
each one have its strenghts and weaknesses. which would you rather drive in a nice summer night? a nice roadster with the top down or a sedan with a huge spoiler? now, which one would you rather drive in a cold snowy day? a awd sedan or a rwd roadster?like i said, different cars for different needs...
Originally Posted by blonde
yep, the exact same problem the evo has with driving with the top down...
come on now, you are comparing a sedan to a roadster each one have its strenghts and weaknesses. which would you rather drive in a nice summer night? a nice roadster with the top down or a sedan with a huge spoiler? now, which one would you rather drive in a cold snowy day? a awd sedan or a rwd roadster?
like i said, different cars for different needs...
come on now, you are comparing a sedan to a roadster
each one have its strenghts and weaknesses. which would you rather drive in a nice summer night? a nice roadster with the top down or a sedan with a huge spoiler? now, which one would you rather drive in a cold snowy day? a awd sedan or a rwd roadster?like i said, different cars for different needs...