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Old Jan 15, 2006 | 08:40 PM
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I didn't say it would cure it. Now throw in 9 extra octane and .3 more liters...
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Old Jan 15, 2006 | 08:46 PM
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Im sure if I drove a $70k car Id want that more than my $35k car too... along with everyone else in the world.
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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 07:10 AM
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yea i felt the same way when a friend took me to 160mph in his modded c6. I was like damn. I was also fustrated with my car cause it was in the from some dick that hit me
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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 11:31 AM
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I find it amazing that it's possible for modified 2.0L Turbo sedans to hang with monsterous 7.0L V8s. Sure, the Evo isn't capable of whooping a Z06s ***. But can you really expect an engine the fraction of the LS7s size to do so? The fact that it's possible for a modified 4G63 to even HANG with a vehicle that is not only considerably more expensive, but considerably more powerful, makes the Z06 look bad, in my opinion.
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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by carbon8ted
For that kind of money, I am buying a E55, M5 or better yet, a RS6 (AWD). 4 door luxury, great performance and quality materials/craftsmanship. IMO

I would MUCH rather have an E55 or Ferrari than any American piece of ****. The craftsmanship IS better and there's a BIG difference between German/Italian horsepower and American horsepower. If you look at German/Italian cars with as much power as the Z06 they somehow put better use to it and are laying the power down more smoothly and precisely. Nor do they lose nearly as much once it reaches the wheels.
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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 11:39 AM
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Man you guys are lucky to be getting them for $ 85,000, my dad went to the dealership a week back looking at the Z06 they had a $30,000 dealer mark up. That brought the grand total to over $ 100,000. Needless to say he walked right back out.
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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Varrius
The fact that it's possible for a modified 4G63 to even HANG with a vehicle that is not only considerably more expensive, but considerably more powerful, makes the Z06 look bad, in my opinion.
The Evo can't hang with the Z06. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Don't forget, the Z06 can perform all day long and is of better build quality than any Mitsubishi. Nothing against Mitsu, it's just that the Vettes are built very well. The Vette production line is NOT in Detroit, by the way.

If I had the means, I'd buy a Z06 (even a 2002+) one in a heartbeat. They are damn good vehicles.

Having said that, I'm very happy to drive an Evo every day.
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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Colangelo
... the Z06 ... is of better build quality than any Mitsubishi.
What proof do you have to support this?
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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 12:56 PM
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The Evo can't hang with the Z06. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I know of a few Evo's that could hang with a Z06... However these aren't stock and have quite a bit of work done to them, but they are still cheaper than a Z06....
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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 01:11 PM
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There are plenty evos out there that can beat a c6 zo6 1/4 mile. Of course the evos aint stock but come on man, 2.0 vs 7.0. Go to streetfire.net and type zo6 vs evo and you will see.
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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 01:58 PM
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See, my only complaint is modding. Once you start seriousely modding, you start having problems left and right. I've had many fast turbo cars in the past and they were usually in my garage with it's hood open and on jacks. If I go with a bigger turbo (say 20g-9), I don't think I can even keep up with the C6 Z06 on the highway. This is in Colorado (land of the high altitude), I'm suppose to have the advantage over an N/A. The 20g-9 only gives 30awhp more then the stock turbo (assuming 94 oct, unlike here, only 91 oct). With running completely catless, I'm going to assume 380awhp at best(dynojet). You guys think that's enough to take a C6 Z06?
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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Colangelo
The Evo can't hang with the Z06. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Don't forget, the Z06 can perform all day long and is of better build quality than any Mitsubishi. Nothing against Mitsu, it's just that the Vettes are built very well. The Vette production line is NOT in Detroit, by the way.

If I had the means, I'd buy a Z06 (even a 2002+) one in a heartbeat. They are damn good vehicles.

Having said that, I'm very happy to drive an Evo every day.

Actually, slightly modified Evo's have whooped C5 Z06s asses. The C5 Z06 was lucky to get a 13.1 with a normal driver. And I am stating the C5 since you clearly stated " the Z06 " And I believe an Evo can hang with the C6 with modification. I'd also be willing to bet that the FQ-430 could possibly defeat a C6 Z06 in a track race. The FQ-430 was running with Lambo's and Ferrari's on Fifth Gear. The Vette production line may not be in detroit but the LS7 is still a DIE (Detroit Iron Engine), being it was based off of the LS1 platform. I would also like to add that in stock form the C6 Z06 could be WALKED away from against some of the 9 second Evo's. Nevertheless, the build quality of the Vette is considerably less than the Lancer Evolution. I would agree that it has a better build quality than ordinary Mitsubishi's, however the Evolution's motor is hand built and HAS BEEN hand built for more than 10 years. The LS7 is brand new. Just based on these factors alone, the 4G63 has better build quality. It's being assembled by some of the same people who've built the first 4G63s in the 90s and the LS7 is brand new. The Evo doesn't need insane amounts of displacement to annihilate a Z06, which needs seven liters just to take down European supercars with much lower displacements. Not to mention the Lotus Exige, which until now, couldn't be touched by a Z06 in a straight line. And it has a Celica engine. So take your Evo, go trade it in for that Cromagnon-Man piece of junk and go around telling Evo owners with cars priced much lower that they can't hang with you and just hope a 9s evo doesn't rape your *** and make you eat your words. I personally have witnessed Z06s, the C6 model, that were bought at Jon Hall Chevrolet in Daytona Beach getting whooped by an 03 DMS(Daytona Mitsubishi Racing) evo. Sure, it has a lot of money in it, but still it's 2.0 f'ing liters. And you can call the owner of the car who owns Daytona mitsubishi, along with Jon Hall Chevrolet, which is across the street. And ask about the race that occured on Nova Road. I believe some people may have it recorded. The DMS evo runs 10.3s 1/4s, and yes, it can turn very well. 386-258-3311 - Jon Hall; 386-252-7000 - Daytona Mitsubishi.
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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by GREDDY
Thanks for the kind words guys. All the wrong gears have been ticking in my head for days. After the Z06 drive, my EVO just seem slow. That thing just picks up and slams you into your car seat, in any gear. The reason why I get on the net to ask fellow EVO enthusiast is because I don't want to make a wrong decision and have to regret it for the next 5 years. I came from a WRX to the EVO because the EVO was everything the little WRX couldn't. You get a WRX over 280awhp/tq and start seeing tranny problems. I've seen plenty of WRX brothers with similar symptoms to switch over to an EVO. I still owe alot on the EVO ($25k) and would be taking a beating on the trade in. $1000 in car payments isn't too bad for me either, I'd prefer not to pay it though.
how about taking the difference between your evo payment and a z06 payment and setting that cash aside for one year. then, take all of that cash over to buschur racing and tell him to do what he can. last but not least, drive your friends z06 again and then drive your evo. what do you think will happen? i am betting your evo will stomp all over that z06 in every department and it will cost far less.

don't worry, be happy.

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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by GREDDY
See, my only complaint is modding. Once you start seriousely modding, you start having problems left and right. I've had many fast turbo cars in the past and they were usually in my garage with it's hood open and on jacks. If I go with a bigger turbo (say 20g-9), I don't think I can even keep up with the C6 Z06 on the highway. This is in Colorado (land of the high altitude), I'm suppose to have the advantage over an N/A. The 20g-9 only gives 30awhp more then the stock turbo (assuming 94 oct, unlike here, only 91 oct). With running completely catless, I'm going to assume 380awhp at best(dynojet). You guys think that's enough to take a C6 Z06?
Hey bro, when I come home from Iraq for some R&R, I will take you for a ride in my Talon. It will spank any stock vette out there on pump gas. With race gas and alcohol, I will tear up anything less than a heavily modded vette. My Talon is not all that different from an Evo.

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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ShiftySVT
GM did put out bigger numbers in the same size package. The block is the same size as the old 5.7L. In fact the LS7 is lighter than the LS1. If they can increase displacement without increasing weight or the size of the block, then why not? The LS7 is also excellent in terms of fuel efficiency at 26 mpg (EPA Hwy). For comparison the Evo MR is rated at 24 mpg. The 4.3L Ferrari F430 is rated at 21 mpg.
I find it very problematic that the block is still the same size. GM has bored and strocked the hell out of the block to increase displacement to 7.0 from 5.7. The cylinder wall are very thin and the piston goes so far down the block that the ring lands almost portrude from the block. This engine has been streched thin and I am concerned about oil burning and longevity issues. As it is the old Z06 engine burned oil.
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