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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 04:47 PM
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Actually, slightly modified Evo's have whooped C5 Z06s asses. The C5 Z06 was lucky to get a 13.1 with a normal driver. And I am stating the C5 since you clearly stated " the Z06 " And I believe an Evo can hang with the C6 with modification. I'd also be willing to bet that the FQ-430 could possibly defeat a C6 Z06 in a track race. The FQ-430 was running with Lambo's and Ferrari's on Fifth Gear. The Vette production line may not be in detroit but the LS7 is still a DIE (Detroit Iron Engine), being it was based off of the LS1 platform. I would also like to add that in stock form the C6 Z06 could be WALKED away from against some of the 9 second Evo's. Nevertheless, the build quality of the Vette is considerably less than the Lancer Evolution. I would agree that it has a better build quality than ordinary Mitsubishi's, however the Evolution's motor is hand built and HAS BEEN hand built for more than 10 years. The LS7 is brand new. Just based on these factors alone, the 4G63 has better build quality. It's being assembled by some of the same people who've built the first 4G63s in the 90s and the LS7 is brand new. The Evo doesn't need insane amounts of displacement to annihilate a Z06, which needs seven liters just to take down European supercars with much lower displacements. Not to mention the Lotus Exige, which until now, couldn't be touched by a Z06 in a straight line. And it has a Celica engine. So take your Evo, go trade it in for that Cromagnon-Man piece of junk and go around telling Evo owners with cars priced much lower that they can't hang with you and just hope a 9s evo doesn't rape your *** and make you eat your words. I personally have witnessed Z06s, the C6 model, that were bought at Jon Hall Chevrolet in Daytona Beach getting whooped by an 03 DMS(Daytona Mitsubishi Racing) evo. Sure, it has a lot of money in it, but still it's 2.0 f'ing liters. And you can call the owner of the car who owns Daytona mitsubishi, along with Jon Hall Chevrolet, which is across the street. And ask about the race that occured on Nova Road. I believe some people may have it recorded. The DMS evo runs 10.3s 1/4s, and yes, it can turn very well. 386-258-3311 - Jon Hall; 386-252-7000 - Daytona Mitsubishi.

the z06 is now a stock 12 second car... it also runs a similar time at the ring to the carerra gt. i think this post is the most ignorant thing i've ever heard... mostly cuz it's laced with a buncha pride/hate.

how well do you think a 9s evo would do at the ring? and why would you compare a drag car with a race car? if you are so keen on this kinda comparison tehn let me remind you that they make vette funny cars that run 7 seconds in the quarter.... you think an evo can do that even in funny car form? not a chance.

are you sure you know what an ls7 is? it's a modified ls1 and the ls1 is a modified lt1 and those engines have been around LONGER than the 4g63. the ls1 and ls6 are proper race engines, it's true that the build quality isn't up to snuff and the electronics are even more questionable... but when you make a vette run like it "sjhould have" from the factory, and there are many people that make their lives a business of this, don't expect to be comparing c6 z06 to the evo.

this is quickly going to degrade into a oh this car costs more and if i threw this much money at my evo then it'd kick its *** arguement. and i hate those... mostly because they're stupid. a car is judged by it's ultimate potential... at some point you can throw all teh money in the world at the evo... and it will not beat all the money in the world thrown at the c6 z06... that's the end of the story. much of this of course depends on the nature of the competition... the c6 z06 will never rally... but it will do well if not beat the evo in autocross, grand touring, drag racing and many other types of motorsports.

don't get me wrong... i love my evo... but my philosophy is this... have yerself a rally car and a grand touring car... and that will allow you to cover all the areas inbetween. obviously my other favorite car is the c6 z06
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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 04:55 PM
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You have to ask yourself is it worth the extra expense and can you afford to loose the other two doors and back seat. Remember not only is the initial expense great, but the servicable items are quite expensive also. And insurance...ouch. my .02
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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DeeezNuuuts83
That Z06 is a beast, without a doubt. I'd get one if I could. Now if only they could increase horsepower and torque like that without having to add a whole extra liter of displacement...
Yet still avoid gas guzzler tax?
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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 05:18 PM
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I feel your pain, my brother inlaw has a 05 corvette superchaged with 600HP, the thing is a monster, i drove around in texas and the thing is viscious. when i got back home to pitt, the evo just felt ok, i have the itch for the vette, the only thing holding me back is the need for the back seat
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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by trinydex
if you are so keen on this kinda comparison tehn let me remind you that they make vette funny cars that run 7 seconds in the quarter.... you think an evo can do that even in funny car form?
Well, Brent Rau's car is a back halved RWD Eclipse and is 4G63T powered. His best is 6.970 @ 198mph. I suppose he could slap an Evo body on top run the same, but anyway. I do not see the point of comparing stock cars to modded cars either, or drag cars to road racers, but people are going to do it anyway. The Z06 is a monster of a car. IT is nice to see what GM can do when their are no restrictions on price or materials. It and the Evo will be the benchmark against which all cars are going to be judged. The Z06 is going to make all the exotics step up their game, and the Evo will continue to make the around 50-100K crowd sweat.
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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 10:24 PM
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I don't think I want to sit in my friends Vette again, it's making me crazy. I would hate to have that big of a payment but you guys have to drive the C6 Z06 to understand.
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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 10:29 PM
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For that amount of money, I don't think the Z06 is worth it. The power is great but the car is built cheaply, feels cheap and there are alot of other great cars in that price range.
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 06:08 AM
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I'm a big time corvette person....

until it snows... evo is just a much more practical machine for everything I want a car to do..

go fast(in straight lines and around turns), provide room for a few passengers, able to drive through snow without being white knuckled, and has enough trunk space for hockey equipment.

I could never have a corvette as my daily driver anymore, just way to difficult.

also if I had 85k to spend I'd probably get an E55 AMG. or an M5
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by trinydex
the z06 is now a stock 12 second car... it also runs a similar time at the ring to the carerra gt. i think this post is the most ignorant thing i've ever heard... mostly cuz it's laced with a buncha pride/hate.

how well do you think a 9s evo would do at the ring? and why would you compare a drag car with a race car? if you are so keen on this kinda comparison tehn let me remind you that they make vette funny cars that run 7 seconds in the quarter.... you think an evo can do that even in funny car form? not a chance.

are you sure you know what an ls7 is? it's a modified ls1 and the ls1 is a modified lt1 and those engines have been around LONGER than the 4g63. the ls1 and ls6 are proper race engines, it's true that the build quality isn't up to snuff and the electronics are even more questionable... but when you make a vette run like it "sjhould have" from the factory, and there are many people that make their lives a business of this, don't expect to be comparing c6 z06 to the evo.

this is quickly going to degrade into a oh this car costs more and if i threw this much money at my evo then it'd kick its *** arguement. and i hate those... mostly because they're stupid. a car is judged by it's ultimate potential... at some point you can throw all teh money in the world at the evo... and it will not beat all the money in the world thrown at the c6 z06... that's the end of the story. much of this of course depends on the nature of the competition... the c6 z06 will never rally... but it will do well if not beat the evo in autocross, grand touring, drag racing and many other types of motorsports.

don't get me wrong... i love my evo... but my philosophy is this... have yerself a rally car and a grand touring car... and that will allow you to cover all the areas inbetween. obviously my other favorite car is the c6 z06
I believe the 10.3s evo would be fantastic around Nurburgring! Its adjustable Tein suspension have made it break corner speed records at the Sanford race track! And we were comparing Corvette's to Evo's on the street. They're BOTH race cars. Saying the Evo is not, is ignorant. The Evo, if you hadn't known, has been racing in WRC(WORLD RALLY CHAMPIONSHIP) since the Galant VR-4 was decommissioned. You just learned something new! Furthermore, we were comparing the STREET versions of the Z06, not funny cars, I'm sorry if you somehow lost grasp with that. The fact that a 2.0L engine can whipe its *** with the LEGENDARY "LS" engine, is sad. Do you even know the 4G63s origins? It was originally built for Econocars. The LS motors were built to get bigger, heavier, and have more horsepower. It amazes me that Mitsubishi has up'ed the HP on the 4G63 from the transitions from the Evo 1, and Evo 8, WITHOUT TOUCHING THE DISPLACEMENT!!!! Chevy on the other hand is pretty stupid. Their engineers are considerably undertrained compared to Mitsubishi, which is 75% owned by one of the richest car corporations on the planet you stand on, known as Mercedes-Benz/Daimler-Chrysler, whom INVENTED the first car. And yes, Mercedes trains a good portion of the men and women at Mitsubishi. Man, step back and trade your Evo in. You're typical American garbage that Europeans couldn't stand. Calling me ignorant makes YOU the ignorant one.
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Varrius
Chevy on the other hand is pretty stupid. Their engineers are considerably undertrained compared to Mitsubishi, which is 75% owned by one of the richest car corporations on the planet you stand on, known as Mercedes-Benz/Daimler-Chrysler, whom INVENTED the first car.
Didn't DaimlerChrysler sell their stake at Mitsubishi a couple months ago?
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 07:17 AM
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Yes they did. And at their peak, only owned about 40%, not 75% of MMC.
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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 11:18 PM
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We might run sometime in the near future. My friends got a big smile on his face though. I'll make sure to run catless, up the boost to 22psi and have it retuned. We'll see how I compare to his Z06. I know I'll be close to 350awhp at least.
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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 11:36 PM
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If I were to consider buying a corvette, I would probably instead get a Lotus and put on a supercharger and have a better handling car just as fast. Or just drop the extra couple thou and go with the Noble. A modern RWD car should have the engine in the middle. I don't understand why GM didn't make that evolution this last time around, they started putting the tranny in the back, the next step is obvious.
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