This is NOT an April Fools joke ...
Originally posted by evo1
DUDE, makes sense, makes sense ... BUT, why can't
offer and warranty a more high performance ECU set-up as an option for our cars! I'm not asking for the most aggressive & unsafe program either. What did expect when us enthusiasts figured out that the ECU was conservative, or the car is detuned??? Say what you will but the fact is that has to understand that enthusiasts are never satisfied, and finding what the 4g63's potential with a slightly aggressive, yet safely programmed ECU is going to common place among us.
Naaaah ... let's pay 33K, and sit back on our asses and just forgot about the fact that our cars have at least 50hp sitting in ECU alone. C'mon WestSideBilly ... if you from the West side ... then you should know dis!
DUDE, makes sense, makes sense ... BUT, why can't
offer and warranty a more high performance ECU set-up as an option for our cars! I'm not asking for the most aggressive & unsafe program either. What did expect when us enthusiasts figured out that the ECU was conservative, or the car is detuned??? Say what you will but the fact is that has to understand that enthusiasts are never satisfied, and finding what the 4g63's potential with a slightly aggressive, yet safely programmed ECU is going to common place among us.Naaaah ... let's pay 33K, and sit back on our asses and just forgot about the fact that our cars have at least 50hp sitting in ECU alone. C'mon WestSideBilly ... if you from the West side ... then you should know dis!
For what it's worth, if you live in a state that doesn't check emissions, an aftermarket ECU will probably be the best upgrade path in terms of cost for power gained.
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Originally posted by WestSideBilly
I believe that Mitsubishi extracted as much as possible out of the 4g63 while still passing CA emissions with 100% certainty. The same is true of nearly every high performance engine. Emissions and fuel economy are factored into the programming of the ECU, as is reliability, even though the majority of enthusiasts could care less about emissions and mileage. Turbocharged cars tend to run very rich at higher RPM, so leaning it out yields power but at the expense of reliability and the greatly increased liklihood of detonation. So while you may be able to say "I'm always going to put good gas and pay attention to my boost and A/F" and thus avoid some of the pitfalls,, the same is not true of everyone else (especially Californians who are stuck using crap 91 octane gas). Mitsubishi has to sell a car that's not going to self destruct after 5000 miles - thus no ACD, no AYC, and 30 hp less than Europe and Japan get - because they have to warranty it. I hope this makes sense.
For what it's worth, if you live in a state that doesn't check emissions, an aftermarket ECU will probably be the best upgrade path in terms of cost for power gained.
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I believe that Mitsubishi extracted as much as possible out of the 4g63 while still passing CA emissions with 100% certainty. The same is true of nearly every high performance engine. Emissions and fuel economy are factored into the programming of the ECU, as is reliability, even though the majority of enthusiasts could care less about emissions and mileage. Turbocharged cars tend to run very rich at higher RPM, so leaning it out yields power but at the expense of reliability and the greatly increased liklihood of detonation. So while you may be able to say "I'm always going to put good gas and pay attention to my boost and A/F" and thus avoid some of the pitfalls,, the same is not true of everyone else (especially Californians who are stuck using crap 91 octane gas). Mitsubishi has to sell a car that's not going to self destruct after 5000 miles - thus no ACD, no AYC, and 30 hp less than Europe and Japan get - because they have to warranty it. I hope this makes sense.
For what it's worth, if you live in a state that doesn't check emissions, an aftermarket ECU will probably be the best upgrade path in terms of cost for power gained.
Tune on
evo1 - yes.
25% more displacement would allow for lower boost, a bit leaner A/F mixture, a more restrictive cat, or any combination thereof, while still maintaining there targeted horsepower/torque numbers. I would surmise that an aftermarket ECU will yield similar gains for the STI when it arrives (again, at the expense of emissions and reliability).
25% more displacement would allow for lower boost, a bit leaner A/F mixture, a more restrictive cat, or any combination thereof, while still maintaining there targeted horsepower/torque numbers. I would surmise that an aftermarket ECU will yield similar gains for the STI when it arrives (again, at the expense of emissions and reliability).
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yea honestly in my opion SUbaru CHEATED!!!
i thoguht the purpose of thses cars is that they commply to all WRC specs aka a 2 litre 4 clynder engine. cus if they were just conerned about power they coudl thoruhg i high displacement turbo V6 and then there woudl be no competion, but i am happy to see that is sticking to the guidelines
i thoguht the purpose of thses cars is that they commply to all WRC specs aka a 2 litre 4 clynder engine. cus if they were just conerned about power they coudl thoruhg i high displacement turbo V6 and then there woudl be no competion, but i am happy to see that
is sticking to the guidelines
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From: Tokyo
Originally posted by SinGin
*sigh* I wonder if enthusiasts in Japan have to worry about warranty isssues.
*sigh* I wonder if enthusiasts in Japan have to worry about warranty isssues.
But if you put on a 3" exhaust system and your turbo's blow, that's out of your pocket. And if the engine goes with that on, you better find a way to get your old exhaust on while it's being towed to the shop, or that is your deal too.
Some dealers are better than others, and some manufacturers are more lenient than others. Subaru recently decided to start selling 5 different aftermarket tuner products out of their dealerships - however, they are entirely suspension or cat-back muffler modifications only.
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Originally posted by SilverEvoVIII
yea honestly in my opion SUbaru CHEATED!!!
yea honestly in my opion SUbaru CHEATED!!!
This year, I'm buying the Suby. Maybe next time, it's the EVO. It may be sacriligious to say it on this board, espicially with the 4g63 being held in such high reverence (myself included), maybe Mitsu will follow suit with some more displacement. That way the people in CA can get a little more love from their 91.
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From: NR Reading PA
Originally posted by STiDreams
This year, I'm buying the Suby. Maybe next time, it's the EVO. It may be sacriligious to say it on this board, espicially with the 4g63 being held in such high reverence (myself included), maybe Mitsu will follow suit with some more displacement. That way the people in CA can get a little more love from their 91.
This year, I'm buying the Suby. Maybe next time, it's the EVO. It may be sacriligious to say it on this board, espicially with the 4g63 being held in such high reverence (myself included), maybe Mitsu will follow suit with some more displacement. That way the people in CA can get a little more love from their 91.
The 4G63 is the primary reason I bought the EVO. Club DSM has been helping the 4G63 get blown
since 1993 and one heck of a lot of experience has been gained. I plan to mod my car and feel pretty confident on how to do it and in what order to ensure reliablity and improve performance. The EVO is my training wheels. And my next car may well be the STI. It is just going to get better......Speedlimit.......