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The "real 20g" the movie (it's awsome, watch it)

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Old Feb 26, 2006, 01:50 PM
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Clayton, Mark would probably give you that file if you wanted it, but I think maybe we should line 'em up instead and find out the hard way =)

C'mon man you know you want to do this, all the trash I talk to you in IM? I'm calling you out here buddy, you've got tons more backing then me man, I can't even drive =)



And....all the smiley faces in the world do change things =)
Old Feb 26, 2006, 02:27 PM
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id like a copy of the video
Old Feb 26, 2006, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 4TUN8
Clayton, Mark would probably give you that file if you wanted it, but I think maybe we should line 'em up instead and find out the hard way =)

C'mon man you know you want to do this, all the trash I talk to you in IM? I'm calling you out here buddy, you've got tons more backing then me man, I can't even drive =)
You don't have it? You should make sure you always get your run files. Remember that what I'm talking about here is the lack of low-end and mid-range power. It has a lot of power up top - a lot more than I have. But, I am more interested in usable power from 3500 at all times, which is what I thought you were trying to accomplish, too.
Old Feb 26, 2006, 03:16 PM
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4TUN8 do you live in NJ?
Old Feb 26, 2006, 03:51 PM
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4TUN8 do you live in NJ?
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Old Feb 26, 2006, 03:51 PM
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Oh poop, was hoping you were close by!
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I think Warrtalon has a great point. He is trying to build a car that is well balanced, for both street, road course, and drag... I think this is what Evo's are all about. Its cool to see the drag monsters, but really this car was designed for a road course. Hard to "call out" someone with different goals than you...
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Awesome video .. first time seeing it. I think we should do an in car cam... of the rpm / vs boost ..for wartalon.

What did he make whp ? .. on pump ?


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I think he made like 340/360tq with alky.

Glad you liked the Video Mark. Phil wants to make some videos of your race cars btw.
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
That part is debatable. They are claiming 3800rpm spoolup, but the dynograph suggests otherwise. If you look at the dynograph, he doesn't hit 300wtq until 4400rpm. By contrast, my car hits 361wtq at 3800rpm. I consider that to be full spoolup by 3800. If I had the runfile, I could show the overaly, which would show dramatic low-end/mid-range differences in power (in my favor), but then it would show him owning me on the top-end.
Spool-up on a dyno is also dependent on when the throttle was applied fully. One can get a very good idea of the spool characteristics by looking at dyno sheets but you can't base full spool on the street by what it does on the dyno.
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Yes you can, you can look at dynosheets of cars with stock turbos vs. cars with modified turbos on the same dyno and get a very good idea of how much later/quicker/differnetly they spool.... Also I think if you two were to drag race the 20g'd car would just destroy warrtalons car at the track, because, when your drag racing when do your revs drop below, say 4500rpms?

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Originally Posted by scorke
Yes you can, you can look at dynosheets of cars with stock turbos vs. cars with modified turbos on the same dyno and get a very good idea of how much later/quicker/differnetly they spool.... Also I think if you two were to drag race the 20g'd car would just destroy warrtalons car at the track, because, when your drag racing when do your revs drop below, say 4500rpms?

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They don't drop below 5600rpm, which is why I made this same comment above referencing why this dynograph looks great for drag, but not good for road racing or autocrossing.

Also, be careful when talking about what would destroy what, because driving plays a huge part.
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...just when I thought I knew which turbo I wanted.
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/\ dont be too shure just yet. Something I have noticed over the past year is these "miracle turbos". First we had the tme, then the wr, then the 20g, then the real 20g..

ll I am saying is just give it some time...I know I am because I have no idea what I want!!
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Your absolutely right warr. To me, it just seems, that even with inferior driving, in a drag race, after the launch, he would have be doing something very wrong, or you would have to be doing something very right(which i don't doubt in regards to your driving skills) in order for your car to beat him down the strip. I would love for you to prove me wrong, you might just convince me to dump my 3076 for a modified stocker of sorts.....

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