Pad suggestions? No ABS, good release characteristics a must.

 

I like the project mu titan kai's a lot.

here's a thread from NCE. http://www.norcalevo.net/forums/view...&highlight=sss

ps. dont bother with hawk hp+'s at the track.

 

i have the titan kais and i hate them... the friction profile ramps... it's not a good pad, or at least it's not my style. i'd say get the ferrodos or the pfs as i hear they have linear friction profiles.

seriously... you're not tryinna convince me... i already know the stock brakes aren't great but this guy already said... he wants to knwo the car "as is." this is a good idea, as he's also new to the evo. i'd recommend at least going to the track ONCE in stock form... just so he knows what he's missing when he gets all the stuff changed out. not that he'll be "missing" any of hte downsides of a stock evo, but ti's good to know where it came from it's good to learn the car this way.

 

the stock brake system is fine, don't confuse that with the stock pads. Oem pads, on any normal production car (save some exotics, etc) , are not meant for track duty, they're meant for street duty, low temp, low noise.

I'm not trying to convince you, you're long past that, but when somebody else searches this thread, i sure hope they don't head out to the track, get cookin down a straight at 120+, and push the pedal to the floor and get nothing.

This guy has experience, i'm sure he knows what a slight mush is in a pedal, and that he needs to bring it in and cool it down, many people don't, and they just keep goin, and thats normally when novices get in trouble, and freak. we don't want any freakin, agreed

 

Yeah, in stock form may include the stock pads, I'll give you that, maybe, though that's still a strech in IMO. But as others have said in this thread numerous times: Don't go to the track w/o SS lines and good/high temp brake fluid, just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Besides the obvious saftey margin created w/ this simple mod, you'll also recieve better pedal feel/less travel/more confidence/piece of mind--- To me its worth the minor$$ spent, regardless if he's "new" to his Evo.

All and all, I agree with WarmPepsi

 

I use Carbotech pads. They've held up very well . I've also heard good things about the Hawk HP track pad..

 

i went to the track wtih my stock brakes... and so did most everyone that is in the evolution owner's club which is probably the largest and most organized evo specific hpde producer in california. after that track day i went and left foot braked the rest of my pads off to the damn backing plates they still worked fine til the day they were grinding.

why would you go out on the first lap and hammer it beyond the limits of brakes that you don't know?

what you guys are saying is just plain doesn't make sense. let the guy learn the car. TEST the limits, don't plow through them cuz you think yer a superstar. and if you WERE a superstar then you'd know where the limits were wtih some preliminary driving.

the only thing about hte stock brakes is increased braking distance and if you happen to glaze them then fine... you're new set of brakes is on the way. but to just toss them is a waste and you're not learning where the car came from how it imporved and how the characteristics changed.

 

^ I agree!

 

see, thats what i'm saying, i DID go out and do my first event (in the evo) on stock brakes, and man, did i regret it.

From experience, i'm saying it sucks.

Again, this was a rather small, techincal style course, not something with large straightaways and constant speeds. Honestly, the course layout means a lot more than anything else.

Running the full course at sebring, you might even be fine on stock brakes ( i was, again, i was taking it super easy, braking before the markers, etc, and they still got hot ). However, now i'm running ccr's, and i normally brake about the 1.5 marker, and just gobble up any open track during braking.

The key to getting faster is consistancy. The key to consistancy is braking at the same point, lap after lap after lap. If you can't sustain your car/line/pace, it's no good. (alas, lets get some other opinions in here, so at least somebody else gets a knowledgeable line or two in. )

 

Maybe I'm misreading your posts , but SS Lines and brake fluid aren't too extreme, IMO. Come on man; he'll still learn his car and be able to tell what he needs in the future, i.e, pads, suspension tuning, etc. All I'm saying is it makes very little sense (on any car for that matter) to go to the track, test the limits w/o common sense stuff like SS brake lines/fluid--Safety should be paramount--any instructor or driving school will tell you that.

 

uhm.... i went to my first track day with fluids and lines. i'm sayin' for the wear parts... wear 'em out quick... replace 'em with better stuff... don't toss 'em right away cuz peopel say they suck.

i'd say you could go to the track with the stock lines nad fluid... you'd end your day early czu you wouldn't be able to brake very well after the fluid boiled so many times but it's not as if the lines are gonna pop on your, they're just mushy like none other. the brakes on the evo are very good... people beat these cars stock all teh time in japan for all those tests etc.

i'm not sayin' that's the way to go... but it's not as if it's gonna FAIL on you. the fade away characteristics of the stock brakes are VERY gradual... you go from soft, to mushy, to ok... a lotta pedal travel, and this gradualness coupled with good sense will keep you plenty safe.

an idiot is an idiot, if you go to the track and you cross all adhesion boundaries with no warm up and you cross the boundaries hard and have no regard for TESTING the limits nad only an incentive to mightily plow through them... then nothing is gonna keep you safe except someone punching you in teh face and ending your day before it begins.


look... it seems like everyone just wants me to shut my mouth about keeping stock stuff on until you wear it out so how's this. for a given experience level you can start swappin' out stuff right away. if you know how cars work and how they behave and you're fed up with mushy brakes before you even felt them... then toss 'em.

 

I got to stick up for the stock brakes. John Mueller got thrown off the track up here in Seattle when he took my stock car out on the track to check out the coilover install.

I think the organizer said he was driving to fast. That sort of implies braking too. Seattle isn't REAL hard on brakes, but it isn't a a walk in the park either.

When I took the pads off they were shot. /but I ran that fluid for another year. still don't have ss lines and don't feel the need.

 

congrats on getting the new RS... and welcome to a whole new world of speed.

You'll love it

n

 

trinydex-

learning the car is not about seeing if you can avoid cooking the stock pads or boiling the fluid on the track. Again, no point in going out and cooking the pads in 3 -4 hot laps, and spending 1/2 or more of the session cooling them done to operable levels again. That in and of itself is dangerous as the products integrity will have been compromised and will no longer function properly.

I understand what you're saying however, this is a safety and common sense mod, much the way it is wise to have track tires (even if they are not R compounds) and street tires. You are setting up the car appropriately for the anticipated conditions.

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Good conversation though, I greatly appreciate the "welcome". I am still in the break-in so I am not going WOT or >5500 RPMs since the initial motor break-in procedure. This car is rather nice. My old car required custom suspension arms, KW V2 coilovers and thick Eibach adj. sways to do 4/5ths of what this car can do STOCK without even rolling the tire onto the shoulder. Nuckin Futs.

 

r compounds don't make a car more safe... tehy raise the level at which dangerous **** happens, so i'm not following your even if htey're not r compounds.

using tires that are street performance in the worst case scenario you get greasy tires becuase they overheat (which happen with r compounds too of course) however this is once again another part of learning. knowing where your tires are cooked etc. and since you know you don't go and plow through that boundary, which would be the unsafe mentality.

i'm not trying to argue really, but it's just people have to be careful of what they say cuz there's tons of people that come here for information and they might just take all this without a grain of salt and then spend all kinds of time on repairs.