How much did you pay for your Evo IX SE?
Originally Posted by evoatcha
I see you've fallen into the dealer's trap! 
But don't be embarrassed, you're not alone.
Smart consumers know that the actual selling price of the car should be the only frame of reference. MSRP and invoice are fiction! Remember the designer jeans?
I don't give a damn how much the dealer paid for the car. I want to know how much *I* will have to pay for it. And the best way to determine that is to find out what others are paying for the same car in the same time period.
This is quite amusing, and a great way to spend a slow Friday at work. Thanks Turd Squirter!
But don't be embarrassed, you're not alone.Smart consumers know that the actual selling price of the car should be the only frame of reference. MSRP and invoice are fiction! Remember the designer jeans?
I don't give a damn how much the dealer paid for the car. I want to know how much *I* will have to pay for it. And the best way to determine that is to find out what others are paying for the same car in the same time period.
This is quite amusing, and a great way to spend a slow Friday at work. Thanks Turd Squirter!
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Originally Posted by Turd Squirter
You're truly lost bro. Good luck with things. Just make sure to update this thread when you discover that MSRP and invoice are not fabricated by local dealers. Actually you're good at starting threads so just do that. Title it "I understand invoice and MSRP now". I don't see the need to have even started the thread in the first place but that's your call. But then you ASK for advice and when JDMevoBOOST and PessimiStick give you good info you want to argue with them. How old are you?
My point is that the actual selling price of a car is what buyers should be concentrating on. Why should it matter what the dealer says HE paid for the car. What matters is what he will charge ME for it!
Oh, and thanks for your sarcasm. I need a laugh on a boring Friday!
And this ain't arguin' bro, it's discussin, and it's fun.
As for my age, I'm probably a lot older than you, but wishing I was your age again!
Originally Posted by evoatcha
Whoa, I never said that MSRP and invoice are fabricated by local dealers. I know they are not. I also know that they are misleading, irrelevant, and used by dealers to mislead consumers.
My point is that the actual selling price of a car is what buyers should be concentrating on. Why should it matter what the dealer says HE paid for the car. What matters is what he will charge ME for it!
Oh, and thanks for your sarcasm. I need a laugh on a boring Friday!
And this ain't arguin' bro, it's discussin, and it's fun.
As for my age, I'm probably a lot older than you, but wishing I was your age again!
My point is that the actual selling price of a car is what buyers should be concentrating on. Why should it matter what the dealer says HE paid for the car. What matters is what he will charge ME for it!
Oh, and thanks for your sarcasm. I need a laugh on a boring Friday!
And this ain't arguin' bro, it's discussin, and it's fun.
As for my age, I'm probably a lot older than you, but wishing I was your age again!
Circumvent the salesmen. Use your local dealer's website to search inventory and limit any discussions to the fleet manager or the internet sales manager. If they tell you that they don't quote over the phone, have never sold a car over the phone, or use any of the other tactics designed to bring you to the dealer then 1.) you're probably not dealing with the fleet/internet sales manager and 2.) say that's too bad for them, leave your number, and let them know this is how you've purchased your last 3 cars.
Speak their language. Tell them you've got a quote for $600 over invoice, or $300 under MSRP, etc. Ask them if they can beat it. I always tell the closest dealership that I'm not looking to hit a homerun but if I have to drive an hour to save a few hundred bucks I will. You can do all of this and get an excellent price with maybe 10-15 phone calls (depending on the number of local dealerships) if you're patient and keep the conversations brief and solely about the numbers. I also never answer a big question like "so we've got a deal at $xx,xxx then?" with a yes or no. I'll simply ask if I can call he/she back in 5 minutes at this number. Ih he asks "why" just tell him 5 minutes. If the f*cker panics after you say that and lowers the price again then you're simply talking to the wrong dealership. Good luck. I got my '05 VIII for $400 over invoice. I purchased it in February of '05 when there were still lots of '04 VIII models on the lot.
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Originally Posted by Turd Squirter
I doubt you're my age. I'm not exactly in the EvoM target demographic. In any event I'm open to discussion if you're willing to take honest advice from somebody who's already been through this 5 times in the last 8 years: '98 Honda Accord, '00 Xterra, '02 Spec V, '04 SRT-4 and '05 Evo VIII. I'm also just beginning the exhaustive process of negotiating a deal for a Mazda CX-7 for my wife.
Circumvent the salesmen. Use your local dealer's website to search inventory and limit any discussions to the fleet manager or the internet sales manager. If they tell you that they don't quote over the phone, have never sold a car over the phone, or use any of the other tactics designed to bring you to the dealer then 1.) you're probably not dealing with the fleet/internet sales manager and 2.) say that's too bad for them, leave your number, and let them know this is how you've purchased your last 3 cars.
Speak their language. Tell them you've got a quote for $600 over invoice, or $300 under MSRP, etc. Ask them if they can beat it. I always tell the closest dealership that I'm not looking to hit a homerun but if I have to drive an hour to save a few hundred bucks I will. You can do all of this and get an excellent price with maybe 10-15 phone calls (depending on the number of local dealerships) if you're patient and keep the conversations brief and solely about the numbers. I also never answer a big question like "so we've got a deal at $xx,xxx then?" with a yes or no. I'll simply ask if I can call he/she back in 5 minutes at this number. Ih he asks "why" just tell him 5 minutes. If the f*cker panics after you say that and lowers the price again then you're simply talking to the wrong dealership. Good luck. I got my '05 VIII for $400 over invoice. I purchased it in February of '05 when there were still lots of '04 VIII models on the lot.
Circumvent the salesmen. Use your local dealer's website to search inventory and limit any discussions to the fleet manager or the internet sales manager. If they tell you that they don't quote over the phone, have never sold a car over the phone, or use any of the other tactics designed to bring you to the dealer then 1.) you're probably not dealing with the fleet/internet sales manager and 2.) say that's too bad for them, leave your number, and let them know this is how you've purchased your last 3 cars.
Speak their language. Tell them you've got a quote for $600 over invoice, or $300 under MSRP, etc. Ask them if they can beat it. I always tell the closest dealership that I'm not looking to hit a homerun but if I have to drive an hour to save a few hundred bucks I will. You can do all of this and get an excellent price with maybe 10-15 phone calls (depending on the number of local dealerships) if you're patient and keep the conversations brief and solely about the numbers. I also never answer a big question like "so we've got a deal at $xx,xxx then?" with a yes or no. I'll simply ask if I can call he/she back in 5 minutes at this number. Ih he asks "why" just tell him 5 minutes. If the f*cker panics after you say that and lowers the price again then you're simply talking to the wrong dealership. Good luck. I got my '05 VIII for $400 over invoice. I purchased it in February of '05 when there were still lots of '04 VIII models on the lot.
