I always wonder how well an Evo with just ACD is supposed to drive in the grand scheme of things anyway. How much of the ACD was designed to work in conjunction with the AYC, which we don't get. I know they sell the GT overseas about the same way our cars are, but they are compromised because of a price point and ours most likely to avoid warranty issues (and to a lesser extent price). Do they change the programming in the ACD because of this? Would a better comparison be between a JDM ACD and AYC equipped vehicle and an '03 VIII to really highlight what the ACD can do?

 

nobody is a perfect driver, some people are opinionated and those are the boys that think they are the mac daddy at driving.

there's always going to be someone else out there that is better than the next. some people just like to speak up about it. they mean no harm though, lol.

right boys?

 

Where does it say anywhere in my thread that my VIII ever had HEAVY understeer. I merely said that a "stock" non-ACD VIII has mild, controlled understeer when being pushed hard. This thread is me comparing the differences between ACD and non-ACD equipped Evo's. I'm not best driver by any stretch, but I can handle my own and understand what is going on with my car!!

 

Smiles or not, there is underlying truth here. I experience a lot of understeer, or at least I did while on stock suspension with r-comps, because I tend to overdrive moreso than underdrive. I have not had any training such as the Evolution school, so everything I've learned has been from experimenting. I am of the firm belief that you can't find the limit unless you surpass the limit, so that's why I end up with a lot of understeer. Bear in mind, I'm talking about autocross right now where it's safe to overdrive without adverse effects like hitting a concrete barrier at 130mph on a road course. I typically do my first run full bore to feel things out - I don't take it easy to learn the course, because I try to already have it memorized before driving. On my 2nd run, I go for a nice, smooth run. On my 3rd run, I take what is usually a very good time from run 2 and try to push it as hard as possible on every turn to see what the car can take and what it can't take. Then, on run 4, I back off in spots where I "pushed" and keep it on the edge of ones where I was just right. Sometimes, I nail it and hit my best run of the day in run 4 while in others I mess up slightly and am a bit slower than run 2.

Not every event goes this way, and I have to change the strategy for 3-run events (e.g. Nationals), but that's how I do it right now, thus a lot of understeer. I now have a new setup, but once I learn it from lots of seat time, I should be able to avoid it from better driving, not just from having a better setup.

Anyway, the way this applies to the thread is that I don't think anyone can truly decide how the car performs until they have pushed it to its limit. Case in point would be Joe (04WWRS) who said he thought the car was twitchy and prone to oversteer. I do not think the car would feel that way if he had done an autocross or HPDE.

 

I think there is a lot of truth here...we dont get AYC and they're supposed to operate together...

 

I was referring to Claytons message stating HIS assertion of heavy understeer.

olsookie, I AM the MacDaddy doggone it. I do mean harm too, I'm mean, meaner than Clayton. J/K

 

...fair enough!

 

Understood Clayton. I don't have that issue much anymore (unless its my last run at a big event and I choke). Truithfully there are many guys out there better than I and there always will be. Evo School should be a top priority for everyone reardless if the autocross or not, it teaches good car handling skills. Second is to get around the best drivers that you can. Locally I have several past Nationals Solo and ProSolo campions to run with so I'm spoiled in that sense. Of course after they drive my car I realize how bad I still suck in comparison to them. I'll not clutter this thread any further we can chat later.

 

There is a difference in hers vs mine but it is quite minimal. Mine seems to turn easier but hers seems to grip harder if that makes sense. Same tires

 

I like the ACD-equipped evos more. I have driven an 03 evo and did not think it handles as well. I hate understeer, and coming from driving numerous FWD b13 SE-R's I have dealt with understeer quite a bit. I love the controlled oversteer in my '05, and also love that the second I lift off the gas, it corrects itself. Very unlike my SE-R's, b/c they would lift-throttle oversteer, which can be very scary and extremely un-fast on a track.

 

I think its just a matter of getting use to the addition of the front lsd and acd.

 

I had a snap oversteer the other day getting on the highway On- Ramp. There was no understeer at all, it went straight broadside into a drift. I lost it but stayed in between the curbs while slidding backwards. Thank god for the Brembro's! It never acted like that before, usually I get alot of understeer during cornering. It def. scared me so I won't be acting that cocky for a long time, It is now going into storage for the winter.

 

That makes sense in my limited experience with the Evo. As chickensh!t at heart, I take the opposite approach and push the limits with each run. I tend to do the bulk of the braking in a straight line, or at least I try to, balance the car and begin opening the throttle shortly before the apex. The car pivots nicely and oversteers in a very predictable manner, but I don't encounter any noticeable understeer on Advans/Bilsteins. I'm also not the fastest thing on four wheels and I'm used to running a FWD car, so take that FWIW.

Is this the school you guys are talking about?

http://autocross.com/evolution/modules/news/

 

That's the one! Best mod you will ever do.

 

FJF, if you haven't ever felt it understeer, then I would say you haven't actually pushed the limits. Did you make a typo when you said you're a chickenshat at heart but yet you push the limits with each run? I would think pushing it with each run would be the last thing a chickenshat would do, but maybe I misunderstood you. Anyway, I come in as hot as possible and try to brake as late as possible on every turn, but this is what leads to understeer, especially when you have the stock suspension with very grippy race tires, since the suspension gets overloaded. This is why I see so much understeer, because I'm trying to see how long I can stay on throttle before braking. Once I find that point (if I do), then I let off the gas and hit the brake a split second earlier in hopes of finding that razor's edge. I'm not good enough to do it on every turn perfectly, but that's what I try to achieve.