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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 09:09 PM
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Hello everyone it's good to be here.

I've been considering an Evo project. I was going to get a cheapo stock 2004 Lancer Evolution VIII and just "dive-in" and mod it out.

So far I am in the beginning stages of trying to find the ideal 2004 Evo VIII. Preferably blue. Anyway if any of you would like to take a look at the parts list here it is:

Engine:
  1. HKS - Forged connecting rods.
  2. HKS - 680cc injectors.
  3. HKS - 1.6mm steel head gasket.
  4. HKS - Iridium spark plugs.
  5. HKS - Adjustable cam gears.
  6. HKS - High strength head and big end bolts.
  7. HKS - Racing suction reloaded kit.
  8. AEM - Plug and Play engine management system.
  9. Walbro - 255lph fuel pump.
  10. JE Pistons - Forged pistons.
  11. Greddy - Intake/Exhaust camshafts.

Turbocharger:
  1. Greddy - Complete turbo upgrade kit.
  2. Greddy - RS blow-off valve kit.
  3. Turbosmart - E-boost2 electronic boost controller.
  4. Greddy - Upgraded intercooler kit V-Spec.

Transmission:
  1. B&M - Adjustable short-throw shifter.
  2. Excedy - Hyper twin-plate clutch.
  3. Excedy - Lightweight flywheel.

Exhaust:
  1. Greddy - Ti-C full cat-back exhaust system.
  2. AEM - Brushed stainless steel exhaust manifold.

Suspension/Handling:
  1. Stop-Tech - Big brake kit (drilled/zinc rotors).
  2. Cusco - Zero-2R coilover pillowball CT9A.
  3. Cusco - Front/rear sway bars.
  4. Gram Lights - 18"x8.5" ''57 Maximum light gray painted alloy wheels.
  5. Toyo - Proxes tires.

Aerodynamics:
  1. APR - Rear carbon-fiber EVO GTC 300 spec spoiler.
  2. Do-Luck - Carbon-fiber front lip spoiler.
  3. Mitsubishi - JDM Evo 9 rear bumper with diffuser.

Miscellaneous:
  1. Sparco - Harness bar/harness.
  2. Sparco - Mugello steering wheel.
  3. Sparco - Evo seat.

This list is subject to change. Right now it's all preliminary. Any CONSTRUCTIVE comments/suggestions are welcome.
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 09:28 PM
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I love these wish list style projects. That's the exact format my list would be to Santa in the form of a letter. j/k.

You might want to search. Good luck!
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 09:29 PM
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Is there any reason why everything is HKS and Greddy? Are you wanting to spend extra to not get the best parts specifically to make it JDM-only, or is it just because you come from the Honda world (or something similar)? Honest question.

- You can do all the HKS engine parts if you want, but I don't understand why you'd use spending extra. I can't remember the last Evo I saw with spending extra. I am not even sure I've seen one, but especially not the top Evo VIIIs. I'd recommend something really nice like Jun or Revolver if you're going crazy and making a race car
- AEM EMS, if that's what you mean, is a great standalone ECU, but that is only needed if you are planning for this to be a major race car - is that the case?
- 680cc injectors make absolutely no sense in this list. That's only one step above stock, which would be good for a 20g-LT (stock-based 20), but not for a big turbo upgrade, which is what I assume you plan to do if you are building the motor and doing a standalone ECU
- The HKS crazy intake probably isn't needed, since your turbo kit will either come with it's own intake pipe or will require a custom intake pipe. Then, since you will be using an AEM EMS with no MAF, you can just get any cone filter that will fit on the end of the custom intake pipe
- What does "complete turbo upgrade kit" mean? And why Greddy again? They make multiple turbos, so which one do you plan to do? There are some monster turbos on the market that are awesome on the Evo, but Greddy doesn't make them. You need to pick a specific turbo or at least a specific size so that you can plan out the injectors and other fuel system components. I'd recommend a GT35R or PT67R (37R) if you're going big...BR 3065, BB 50-TRIM, or 20G-LT if going mid-sized...
- Greddy RS BOV is a very poor choice for a BOV. If you go standalone ECU with MAP and a big turbo, then use a nice Tial (VTA)
- Greddy (again?) FMIC? Much better ones out there such as the Buschur and AMS Race cores
- Exedy (not Excedy) Twin HD cerametallic is a great choice, and it comes with a chromoly flywheel, so you don't need to get that separately
- Greddy (again?) cat-back? There is no "full" cat-back. A cat-back attaches to the cat-back and goes "back." That's why it's a cat-back, and this is only half the exhaust, so the term "full" doesn't apply. The titanium is cool and all but only if you want to spend $800-900 for a cat-back that makes 10-15whp. You can get a full 3" or 3.5" TBE for the same price if you're interested. Whatever you do, be sure to get a full TBE and not just a cat-back. Also, the turbo kit you get might come with a custom downpipe and o2 housing, so you have to know all of that in advance.
- AEM makes an exhaust manifold for the Evo?? Strange. Anyway, your turbo kit will come with its own custom manifold - you don't buy it separately.
- Coilovers look good, but don't just add front/rear sways randomly. Be sure to have a professional Evo suspension tuner design and setup your whole suspension along with corner weighting, ride height adjustment, damping settings, and proper alignment. Just tossing on expensive coils and front/rear sways will not work well
- The rim type is good, but only 8.5" wide when stock is 8"? Get some real wheels with some real rubber. Plain Proxes on a car like this would be like Michael Jordan playing basketball in Keds.
- Harness bars should only be used when autocrossing and not on the street. The bar is only for holding the harness at a high angle, and the harness is only to be used with a cage or roll bar, in which case you have no harness bar. You can't use the cage or roll bar without a helmet, and you can't wear a helmet on the street, so you can't use the harness on the street. That leaves only low-speed autocross for using the harness bar with the harness. Just be sure to take it out when not autocrossing

You forgot some important stuff:
- Fuel pump (or maybe even a double pumper depending on turbo size)
- Other fuel upgrades (fuel rail, fuel pressure regular, etc)
- FMIC and piping (LICP will come with turbo kit probably)
- Mini-battery (to fit the straightest UICP)
- Alky injection for running full boost on your big turbo (or race gas)

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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Is there any reason why everything is HKS and Greddy? Are you wanting to spend extra to not get the best parts specifically to make it JDM-only, or is it just because you come from the Honda world (or something similar)? Honest question.
I actually like to stay within the realm of JDM. I don't know why.

Originally Posted by Warrtalon
- You can do all the HKS engine parts if you want, but I don't understand why you'd use Greddy cams. I can't remember the last Evo I saw with Greddy cams. I am not even sure I've seen one, but especially not the top Evo VIIIs
Can you recommend something good? As I've said this is preliminary. I've haven't had time to do extensive research. That's why I've come to the forums.

Originally Posted by Warrtalon
- AEM EMS, if that's what you mean, is a great standalone ECU, but that is only needed if you are planning for this to be a major race car - is that the case?
No this is not a major race car. It's something just for my own personal enjoyment. And I've actually looked up that specific AEM EMS.

Originally Posted by Warrtalon
- 680cc injectors make absolutely no sense in this list. That's only one step above stock, which would be good for a 20g-LT (stock-based 20), but not for a big turbo upgrade, which is what I assume you plan to do if you are building the motor and doing a standalone ECU
Hmm. I've seen an Evo with a custom Garret dual ball-bearing turbo (quite large) and it used 680cc injectors. Unless if I got the numbers wrong.

Originally Posted by Warrtalon
- The HKS crazy intake probably isn't needed, since your turbo kit will either come with it's own intake pipe or will require a custom intake pipe. Then, since you will be using an AEM EMS with no MAF, you can just get any cone filter that will fit on the end of the custom intake pipe
I still would like the kit. Even though it probably isn't needed.

Originally Posted by Warrtalon
- What does "complete turbo upgrade kit" mean? And why Greddy again? They make multiple turbos, so which one do you plan to do? There are some monster turbos on the market that are awesome on the Evo, but Greddy doesn't make them. You need to pick a specific turbo or at least a specific size so that you can plan out the injectors and other fuel system components
I've actually looked on the Greddy site. What do you want me to list the specific part number? It's simply what I said. A turbo upgrade kit made by Greddy for the Evo VIII.

Originally Posted by Warrtalon
- Greddy RS is a very poor choice for a BOV. If you go standalone ECU with MAP and a big turbo, then use a nice Tial (VTA)
Thanks.

Originally Posted by Warrtalon
- Greddy (again?) FMIC? Much better ones out there such as the Buschur and AMS Race cores
Good I'll try them.

Originally Posted by Warrtalon
- Exedy (not Excedy) Twin HD cerametallic is a great choice, and it comes with a chromoly flywheel, so you don't need to get that separately
Okay thank you. And I think it was a typo. Since the X is close to the C.

Originally Posted by Warrtalon
- Greddy (again?) cat-back? There is no "full" cat-back. A cat-back attaches to the cat-back and goes "back." That's why it's a cat-back, and this is only half the exhaust, so the term "full" doesn't apply. The titanium is cool and all but only if you want to spend $800-900 for a cat-back that makes 10-15whp. You can get a full 3" or 3.5" TBE for the same price if you're interested. Whatever you do, be sure to get a full TBE and not just a cat-back...
I just threw "full" in there. I don't know why.

Originally Posted by Warrtalon
- AEM makes an exhaust manifold for the Evo?? Strange. Anyway, your turbo kit will come with its own custom manifold - you don't buy it separately.
I am aware the exhaust manifold comes with the turbo kit. I just need the AEM one that's all.

Originally Posted by Warrtalon
- Coils look good, but don't just add front/rear sways randomly. Be sure to have a professional Evo suspension tuner design and setup your whole suspension along with corner weighting, ride height adjustment, damping settings, and proper alignment. Just tossing on expensive coils and front/rear sways will not work well
I know that. It's just a choice of coilover so far. I wasn't planning on "tossing on" anything that I listed.

Originally Posted by Warrtalon
- The rim type is good, but only 8.5" wide when stock is 8"? Get some real wheels with some real rubber. Plain Proxes on a car like this would be like Michael Jordan playing basketball in Keds.
I really couldn't find a decent rim that will fit that's wider. It really does depend on what kind of driving I'll be doing. Which I don't really know yet.

Originally Posted by Warrtalon
- Harness bars should only be used when autocrossing and not on the street. The bar is only for holding the harness at a high angle, and the harness is only to be used with a cage or roll bar, in which case you have no harness bar. You can't use the cage or roll bar without a helmet, and you can't wear a helmet on the street, so you can't use the harness on the street. That leaves only low-speed autocross for using the harness bar with the harness. Just be sure to take it out when not autocrossing
Will do. I just want the harness bar for the option.

I'm new to the whole Evo scene. It's just a quick revelation I've had. But thanks for the input.

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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 10:00 PM
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So what are your goals with this car?
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 10:06 PM
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Ah, ok, if you're completely new to Evos, then before making a list like this, do a ton of research. Your list will change drastically if you do that. Don't rely on us to built it for you. Research it, put the list together, then present it for feedback as a sanity check, but not as a way to have us tell you what to do.

- Yes, for the engine, I can recommend Buschur and AMS. They have the only two 8-sec USDM Evos, and Buschur builds the motors for John Shepherd who runs 7.7s in his 1G Talon

- I don't know of there being different types of the AEM EMS. I think there is just one. You by no means need one on this car if it's not a race car unless you plan to make over 550whp. Flashing the stock ECU is very cheap and VERY effective. Save this idea for later when you know how much power you want to make...

- I'm sure you just remember wrong, or the turbo was not that big. No BIG turbo can be supplied with enough fuel by 680cc injectors unless it's just running low boost

- No, I don't need the turbo part number. I need a name. They don't just call them "turbo for the Evo." They have names and sizes...like 25G?

- You know that a custom manifold comes with whatever turbo kit you buy, but you still "need the AEM one"? What does that mean? I've never even seen or heard of an AEM manifold, but why do you "need" it if it doesn't even fit the turbo? That's why the turbo kit comes with a custom manifold - because that's what makes it fit.

- Tons and tons of decent rims that are wider and will fit. I don't understand this comment. The Gram Lights aren't even that great. They look nice, but they are not a top rim in terms of weight and strenght. They are actually not as "light" as the name implies. Yes, though, your rim/tire choice should be dictated by how you intend to use the car.
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 10:13 PM
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I've actually looked on the Greddy site. What do you want me to list the specific part number? It's simply what I said. A turbo upgrade kit made by Greddy for the Evo VIII.
Listen to what Warr said. The turbo that comes with the Greddy kits will not bolt up to the AEM manifold you are talking about. Its actually a DC Sports manifold BTW. The DC Sports mani is designed for the stock turbo. The Greddy turbo kits use a different mounting flange.

Greddy turbo kits are not that good really IMO. If you must have JDM go with Apexi or HKS. I have not seen any really great numbers on a Greddy kit.
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Ah, ok, if you're completely new to Evos, then before making a list like this, do a ton of research. Your list will change drastically if you do that. Don't rely on us to built it for you. Research it, put the list together, then present it for feedback as a sanity check, but not as a way to have us tell you what to do.
Of course. I will be sure to do that. Lately I've haven't had much time but I will soon enough.

Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Yes, for the engine, I can recommend Buschur and AMS. They have the only two 8-sec USDM Evos, and Buschur builds the motors for John Shepherd who runs 7.7s in his 1G Talon
Yeah I've seen some of the links you have here. I've been reading some of the material and it looks fantastic.

Originally Posted by Warrtalon
- I don't know of there being different types of the AEM EMS. I think there is just one. You by no means need one on this car if it's not a race car unless you plan to make over 550whp. Flashing the stock ECU is very cheap and VERY effective. Save this idea for later when you know how much power you want to make...
Well I'm ball parking at least ~400-450whp. So I'll take you up on that suggestion.

Originally Posted by Warrtalon
- I'm sure you just remember wrong, or the turbo was not that big. No BIG turbo can be supplied with enough fuel by 680cc injectors unless it's just running low boost.
Yeah I think I was remembering wrong. Hmm. Anyway more like 1000cc.

Originally Posted by Warrtalon
- No, I don't need the turbo part number. I need a name. They don't just call them "turbo for the Evo." They have names and sizes...like 25G?
Oh the name and size. The one I want is T67 25G-10cm^2.

Originally Posted by Warrtalon
- You know that a custom manifold comes with whatever turbo kit you buy, but you still "need the AEM one"? What does that mean? I've never even seen or heard of an AEM manifold, but why do you "need" it if it doesn't even fit the turbo? That's why the turbo kit comes with a custom manifold - because that's what makes it fit.
Thanks.
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- Tons and tons of decent rims that are wider and will fit. I don't understand this comment. The Gram Lights aren't even that great. They look nice, but they are not a top rim in terms of weight and strenght. They are actually not as "light" as the name implies. Yes, though, your rim/tire choice should be dictated by how you intend to use the car.
I know they are not the top. They're lesser Volks. And I really don't plan to do extensive, competitive, professional racing. Eh, maybe I should splurge for some BBS RE's or Volk Racing TE37's?
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 10:22 PM
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Listen to what Warr said. The turbo that comes with the
Greddy turbo kits are not that good really IMO. If you must have JDM go with Apexi or HKS. I have not seen any really great numbers on a Greddy kit.
What about AMS?
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 10:23 PM
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There are a few guys with the Greddy 25G on here, so check their builds to see what sort of injectors, fuel system, and tuning device they used.

If you only want 400-450whp, though, you can do that with a stock turbo or stock-like turbo (20G-LT = FPGreen). Then, you could do your 680s, keep the motor stock, stick with the stock ECU, get whatever manifold you want, and save a lot of money. The build you were talking about originally would have been for 600-700whp with a gigantic turbo.
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 10:23 PM
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What about AMS?
AMS is not JDM. If he thought you were interested in the best as opposed to JDM, he would have listed Buschur and AMS as having turbo kits that are the cream of the crop.
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
There are a few guys with the Greddy 25G on here, so check their builds to see what sort of injectors, fuel system, and tuning device they used.

If you only want 400-450whp, though, you can do that with a stock turbo or stock-like turbo (20G-LT = FPGreen). Then, you could do your 680s, keep the motor stock, stick with the stock ECU, get whatever manifold you want, and save a lot of money. The build you were talking about originally would have been for 600-700whp with a gigantic turbo.
Yeah I realize that now. But I still have to decide if I want that kind of power or not. It's a tough call.

Originally Posted by Warrtalon
AMS is not JDM. If he thought you were interested in the best as opposed to JDM, he would have listed Buschur and AMS as having turbo kits that are the cream of the crop.
Yeah I know it's not JDM. But maybe I'm off my hinges. It's time to break away.

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You're seeing the light, and your wallet will thank you...
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You're seeing the light, and your wallet will thank you...
It's okay I got money.
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