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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 07:15 AM
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2 MBC's installs (pro's/con's)

I know there are 2 methods of installing a MBC:

1) a) cap turbo nipple b) cap air intake nipple c) cap WGS d) run vac line from WGA to side of MBC e) run vac line from bottom of mbc "pressure side" and "T" into BOV

2) a) cap air intake b) cap WGS c) run vac line from WGA to side of mbc d) run vac line from turbo nipple to bottom of mbc "pressure side"



Is there a benefit to using one method over the other. Boost response, accuracy, etc. Thanks in advance.
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 07:26 AM
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Running from the CBV vac line is using the actual manifold pressure signal.
Running from the turbo outlet nipple is using the turbo outlet pressure signal.
The pressure is always higher at the turbo outlet.
However, your boost gauge is tapped into the manifold (or should be), so either way you still set out to run the same amount of boost, just receiving the signal from two different sources. I've always ran mine from the CBV line as to use the actual manifold pressure as the source.
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 07:27 AM
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^CBV?

Can anybody diagram these two methods, I suck at visualizing without psychedelics...


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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 07:28 AM
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Compressor Bypass Valve
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by EVO8emUp
Running from the CBV vac line is using the actual manifold pressure signal.
Running from the turbo outlet nipple is using the turbo outlet pressure signal.
The pressure is always higher at the turbo outlet.
However, your boost gauge is tapped into the manifold (or should be), so either way you still set out to run the same amount of boost, just receiving the signal from two different sources. I've always ran mine from the CBV line as to use the actual manifold pressure as the source.
would one cause spiking over the other??? CVB=Turbo Bypass Valve=BOV
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 07:35 AM
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yeah that would be a great way to help all newbies out!! j/k
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One runs from the turbo outlet nipple (nipple on the black outlet pipe that's bolted to the turbocharger that the LICP connects to) straight to the WGA.

The other would run from a "T" (spliced into the vacuum line that connects the CBV to the manifold) to the WGA. (You have to cap off the nipple on the previously mentioned turbo outlet pipe as this will not be used anymore)
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IIRC, if you monitored two sensors, one at the turbo outlet and on in the manifold, the pressure signal at the manifold is not as convulsive as at the turbo outlet.
I don't know if this helps.
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 07:54 AM
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1) a) cap turbo nipple b) cap air intake nipple c) cap WGS d) run vac line from WGA to side of MBC e) run vac line from bottom of mbc "pressure side" and "T" into BOV

2) a) cap air intake b) cap WGS c) run vac line from WGA to side of mbc d) run vac line from turbo nipple to bottom of mbc "pressure side"
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by EVO8emUp
IIRC, if you monitored two sensors, one at the turbo outlet and on in the manifold, the pressure signal at the manifold is not as convulsive as at the turbo outlet.
I don't know if this helps.
Errr, what? Can you splain...
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 08:01 AM
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+1 for option A...less fluctuation in boost...especially for those who live in extreme climates day/night. Noticed increase in spool up...
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 09:36 AM
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Good info.
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 09:38 AM
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I have the Turbo nipple sourced but I still feel that boost was more consistant sourcing and Ting the line to the BOV
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Evoryder
+1 for option A...less fluctuation in boost...especially for those who live in extreme climates day/night. Noticed increase in spool up...
+2 for bov method
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 11:51 AM
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Errr, what? Can you splain...
The pressure fluctuates more rapidly at the turbo outlet as opposed to in the manifold. The atricle had me thinking "what?" too. I was talking to a guy here and he said that diesels don't have throttle bodies like gasoline cars do,
which had me thinking.. Wouldn't no throttle body mean no vacuum? Aftrall, the closure of the throttle body is what helps create vacuum.

The article was basically stating that the pressure fluctuates more rapidly at the turbo nozzle as opposed to the manifold. (not at WOT, but on/off throttle situations) As in, after the airflow makes its way through all the bends, intercooler, etc... it kind of mellows out the waves.
I didn't quite understand this as there is always positive pressure in the piping between the turbo outlet to the throttle body, always.
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