WORKS does not want to share with his customers’ information about A/F ratios. So, why would he/they want to share any information about their re-flashing system?

 

I laughed my *** off when I read Shiv's post because I thought the same thing you did. I think Shiv is very good at marketing his product (Xede) and what better way can anyone think of other than discrediting their competition right I'm not calling Shiv a liar because I'm sure he doesn't need to, but I don't think all that extra info was necessary especially since he said that Techtom will be "notifying the current ecu distributors". He should let each company notify their customers on their own merits if they feel it is necessary.

 

Hang tight guys. Talked to Tadashi this morning. He thinks he found the problem. More to come....

Shiv

 

Sure there has been a lot of back and forth between David and Shiv and this could be construed as a continuation of the same debate, however getting info is what this site is all about. People did not need to post about the Evo recall since Mits was going to contact all of us but knowing ahead of time was a great heads up. I am astounded that David has not just said we do not use the same flashing system if they do not. Telling only those that have a reflash is wrong. There are a lot of people out here that might be considering it. Knowing ahead of time ie before you do the reflash would be important for everyone. I think the silence may be due to Works using the same reflash equipment and are looking at data to see if there is a problem. I hope there is no problem with the reflash. My 2 cents

 

I don't get your reasoning. It sounds like you think Shiv should have held back the information simply because he offers a competing product.

If this problem really does affect 30% of all reflashes, it would seem to me downright irresponsible not to share as much verified information as possible.

Shiv waited until the problem was verified by the reflash system vendor and then reported it. That was the responsible thing to do. It is not his fault if vendors did not come forth first. If in fact reflash vendors did not/do not have a quality-control scheme in place to do bit-for-bit verifications of flashed ROMs (making sure what you actually flashed is what you intended to flash) and are selling unvalidated upgrades, this is critical information to know.

 

Hi guys,

Tadashi at Technosquare called me today with regards to the timing problem that was discovered with some of the reflashes. He did some additional testing this weekend and feels the problem was caused by a communication cable glitch with his tuning laptop computer. He said that when the ECUs were reflashed and verified on his flashing rig, the corrupt ECU code couldn't be reproduced. This potential problem should only apply to those ECUs which Tadashi has personally flashed. It should not affect others who are using the Techtom reflashing system. Needless to say, this is very good news for all of us who want to offer reflashing services as well as customers who want 'em.

Here's a link on the subject on the Technosquare website:

www.technosquareinc.com/evo8state.htm

Best Regards,
Shiv

 

Shiv,

Is there a way for reflash vendors (other than Techtom) to verify a correct flash (i.e. some way to checksum the burnt firmware)?

 

Good news. Now the fun begins. Props to Vishnu for keeping enthusiasts up on the 411.

 

Sounds like Works customers are fine AND that Vishnu was never being malicious. Everyone stand down from red alert.

Dramatic fast reactions from some of you guys... sheesh.

 

Dear WORKS Customers and Evo Enthusiasts,

The WORKS Team would like to make a statement about the allegations posted here over the past few days. Our reputation has been attacked in a manner intended to appear harmless. We hope many of you recognize and see through these tactics, which are nothing new for those familiar with the WRX space. Unfortunately there is a great deal more to this situation than has been publicly disclosed.

Our company policy has been to provide help and information on the forums to the extent that we are able. We will not however, participate in the petty exchange of words to distract customers from genuine development and effort. From this point forward we will focus our participation to the WORKS Forum, where we will continue to provide technical information and assistance.

We understand the difficulty inherent in developing highly advanced products, like the ECU reflash ("Brain"), and remain focused on providing quality products of this caliber. We look forward to making announcements regarding exciting new WORKS products in the near future.


Thank you for your time

Gavin Cook
WORKS Executive Officer

 

You guys are blind if you can't see shiv's ulterior motives. You guys kill me the way you always attack WORKS.

They told everyone straight up that this issue didn't apply to their customers. Do you think if there had really been an issue to begin with, that WORKS would tell us and their competition what the fix or work around was? Haha, maybe if Shiv wasn't trying to scare potential WORKS customers away, this was his real motive.

All you haters STFU

 

You would have to be an idiot not to see through Shiv's "caring and loving attitude" for all Evo owners. Nobody is disputing the fact that Vishnu produces good products, it's their constant OBVIOUS attack on WORKS that is creating any animosity. No matter how hard Shiv has tried to discredit WORKS their customer base on this website continues to grow because just like David said their products are better advertised by their customers who have all been extatic about the product and service that they have recieved. I'm just stating the obvious, not trying to make waves, but for those of you who really don't believe that this was aimed at hurting WORKS and promoting the Xede then Shiv has successfully fooled you.

Respectfully,
D

 

That's a lot of reading between the lines. Considering that everything Shiv said was corroborated by the company that he named. Shiv never mentioned Works. Works made their statement that none of their customers were affected. Excellent. My issue was with Works coming out and calling this thread or anything in it an attack. That is utterly rediculous and very typical of works conspiracy theory marketing on this board.

I don't love Shiv or Vishnu, nor do I hate Works. I take their comments at face value and corroborate that information with other existing information. Whether you like Shiv or not, the facts are that Shiv has not slammed anyone here and Works is the one casting dispersions.

 

The only constant obvious negative behavior I have seen is from Works. The only personal attacks I have seen thrown between the two have been from Works. There is nothing obvious in this thread that casts anything negative directly at Works.

I would submit that anyone who thinks that any posts made by Shiv in this thread are an obvious attack on anyone is displaying an obvious bias.

 

Yeah, thats fairly much how I feel.

Shiv: Thanks for the totally legit info!

BTW, If Works had legit info from the EXED manufacturer that it had problems, wouldn't you want them to post about it? I think some of you are taking sides. Just take the info for what it is: FACT