As a consumer, I need to be informed! Even if the information comes from a competitor...

 

Probably the main reason why I respect Shiv is.... because of his honesty.

Even the best engineers in the world at whatever they do...will ALWAYS run into issues. It doesn't matter who you are.

Shiv IMO, has always tried to be as straight forward as possible and does a great job in my mind of keeping everyone up to date on his on-going products. Even reading about his plug-in harness issue which delayed orders of the updated xede...only added to my confidence of the Vishnu product line.
He easily could have made up some lame excuse without going into any technical details...but he chose not to. Its this type of attitude which will win over my business. I personally do not enjoy being left in the dark.

I think Shiv may possibly have come across as being a bit malicous when he made a claim that "most" ECU re-flashes on the market could possibly have been affected with the glitch. Although...he still did nothing wrong. He mentioned no names in particular.

I'm personally intersted in the Vishnu reflash. I believe Vishnu will post and stamp all the A/F ratio's, boost curves, torque curves, hp...you name it and answer any questions we have about the product. (at least I hope so!)

 

Well if you've followed the "WORKS-Vishnu" rivalry then you'd know that this isn't the first time Shiv has done this. Do a search and you will see that Shiv has even intruded on WORKS very own forum where they never dog-out or even discuss anyone elses product. Shiv is a business man trying to make money, I just find some of his marketing strategies to be unethical. Like I stated before, if you think that he was being honest, caring and sincere then his mission is accomplished. I have not attacked Shiv's products, I'm just commenting on his ability to manipulate situations to potentially hurt other vendors and help himself all at the same time. Quite frankly I find his tactics humerous and he should be proud of himself because they seem to be working with at least a few people. No conspiracy theory here, just shady business practices...

Respectfully,
D

 

Yeah, but you might want to question the source first, that could give you all the information you need...

 

Hence why it took Works so long to release the re-flash to begin with maybe


Funny how EVERYONE knew who he was talking about though eh

Well I hope so for your sake too. Good luck with your Vishnu products, I hope it works out for you

 

People, can we PLEASE drop the drama and let this thread become what it was supposed to be? An update on the Vishnu reflash. I hear Vishnu is taking pre-orders and would love to know what the cost for a reflash will be.

 

Actually, I have met him. He tuned my car. He did care. He was honest (in my assessment, based on corroboration of facts available outside of Vishnu or Shiv). He took a personal interest in me, my car and how I felt about what he did to my car. He answered all of my questions in detail and advocated me learning enough to do the tuning on my own. He didn't try to sell me or anyone else there more products. He spent the whole day busting his butt to help people that had already bought Vishnu products (and the products didn't come with a "free dyno tuning by Shiv" option). I paid the shop for the dyno time and didn't pay Shiv a penny for all of the time he spent in my car or the time he spent answering questions (I have no clue if there was any sort of contract between Shiv and the shop, I was not privy to that). Shiv had spent over 12 hours the day before working with a whole group of people doing the exact same thing (I showed up for part of that one too, just to see the cars). When he was done, he told everyone there to give him a call any time if they had any questions or problems. I have called him and he has always dealt with everything head on. Give him a call sometime, you will find him in the shop, working on someones car. That's where he seems to be most of the time.

If you call that unethical or manipulative, then I don't have much else to discuss with you.

 

I think people are confusing the difference in a "good guy" and "bad business". This forum is littered with both accounts in Shiv's case. It seems he really takes care of his products and customer base. "Good guy", "good business". I'm not one of his customers, but might have been if he would have been the first to offer a reflash, as that is what I wanted for my car. The "bad business" comes in with long-winded threads full of you and more of it crap, and you said I said, and I said you said ****. Works was guilty here as well. David shut up. This thread would do nothing but throw a bad spin on Shiv's main competition to the informed customer. So for those who would claim no foul, come now, it would be insulting to yourself as well as all forum members to say that we would not come to that possible conclusion. It would be one of little cunning and a weak mind to simply take this completely as a public service announcement with the history here in. I give Shiv more credit than to haphazardly cause a small panic with the competitions current, and possible customers. As I so eloquently stated, "David shut up". When it comes to their rivalry, I hope Shiv sees David's late arriving genius in this and stopping before it's too late... to save his reputation with those who are as interested in the good character of our vendors as their products. In the end, one will speak for the other.

 

Bottom line everyone is taken this post over board. He found a problem and post why there would be a longer delay offering his Re-Flash service. He also advised that poeple make sure there cars are running ok that have had (what every company that makes the hardware/Software for re-flash).

Then works jumps and starts saying to there customers that they don't have to worry. That's fine works said in many posts that they have there owen why of re-flashing and not the way of what everyone else is using. (or what every company that offers it to tuners).

But I will say this I found it very hard to believe that works was able to design there owen system.

Anyone doing EM should varify any system they buy. A/F and knock and data logging. I mean you just spent 30K on your rides and now even more to make more power double check everything.

Yes I like Shiv alot I really think he is the best in the bizz. So you may say I'm a loyalist but I'm just sitting back and giving a very unbiased out look about this topic.

IMHO
Eric

 

This thread is shut down till I can clean this dump.

EDIT:

Alright, I'm giving this thread another chance. Now I hope this thread remains civil. I have gone through this thread and have deleted about 30 posts, mostly unneeded ones. If it continues, then this thread WILL permanently be shut down. This thread is now re-opened.

 

No matter which vendor you choose - it seems clear that re-flash is THE path to go with evos

 

Then why are you running a piggy-back for all your boost, fuel and timing controls?

Shiv

 

I'm afraid that our remap is on hold until a few things happen. I would be happy to say what those things are but, in doing so, I'd likely be accused of engaging in sly and disingenuous behavior

Cheers,
shiv

 

I guess he forgot to think before he wrote that statememt.

 

Shiv, I still don't understand why you are going to offer a reflash. Since there's now a plug & play harness for the Xede, why would one choose the reflash over the Xede? Is there any other reason than (presumably) lower cost of the reflash?