Trashing plans for WRX-STi
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Originally posted by 3171
GDB,
When are you going to the track again?
GDB,
When are you going to the track again?
Lastest plan to Sepang last month was cancelled.
Oh speaking of track time, here's one reason why you should get the EVO:
Evo VII has a standard oil cooler, the STi does not.
Under very hot conditions (about 33C+ ambient temp), the STi can't last more than 10-15 mins of continuous hard driving. The oil temps can easily climb to over 120C, which I was told isn't good for the engine.
I don't know how the Evo fares in this respect, but with a standard oil cooler, it should experience NO problem running long track sessions.
An STi with oil cooler will never exceed oil temps higher than 110C. I don't have one yet, but other STi track enthusiasts swear by it.
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GDB,
I went to Sepang last month, it was great. Also, I had just fitted a larger oil cooler and it was great. Hopefully I will get to drive Sepang again soon. Went to PG once but it is too expensive for me.
Maybe I will see you at the track sometime
I went to Sepang last month, it was great. Also, I had just fitted a larger oil cooler and it was great. Hopefully I will get to drive Sepang again soon. Went to PG once but it is too expensive for me.
Maybe I will see you at the track sometime
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GDB: those results on the Evo vs WRX STi, where did you get those results from? Cause I remember reading in some book that Japan had an Evo VS WRX track day where they did a whole bunch of STi vs Evo stock for stock and also race cars. I do remember that the WRX STi Type RA Spec-C beat the Evo VII RS or something like that, including some other race preped STi beating a race preped Evo. But overall the Evo won most of the races.
Bah...can't remember the article or book.
Anywayz it is a long discussion but they were both built for different reasons. The Impreza was built for driveability and comfort where it flowed over into the WRX STi and RA(race altered) ones. The Mitsu Evo was built based on having a sturdy race car to compete both on the race track and rally.
I would like both please
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Bah...can't remember the article or book.
Anywayz it is a long discussion but they were both built for different reasons. The Impreza was built for driveability and comfort where it flowed over into the WRX STi and RA(race altered) ones. The Mitsu Evo was built based on having a sturdy race car to compete both on the race track and rally.
I would like both please
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plucky,
I got the results MOSTLY on Best Motoring video. For those who don't know, Best Motoring is a monthly Japanese video that reviews/pits together cars (mostly performance cars) on slalom courses, race tracks, sometimes even gravel courses.
The new STi can't even catch up with Evo 6 in most cases, and the Evo 7 is faster still than the Evo 6 (again in most cases), so that tells you the Evo's prowess.
So yes you are right; most of the time, the Evo will win, regardless whether it's RS or GSR.
Bear in mind though the margin of "winning" and "losing" of Evo vs. STi is not that big! In a 1:30 min - 2:00 min track layout, the STi typically loses out to the Evo by 2 seconds per lap AT MOST (when driven by professional drivers). That's what I've been seeing in several Best Motoring videos.
I know 2 seconds a lap is A LOT for competitive driving. But seriously how many of us mere mortals can consistently lap within 2 seconds of our best lap continuously? Even F1 drivers can slip up/down within 1 second (WITHOUT backmarkers) in a 1:30 min or less track layout. So a 'friendly battle' of amateur-driven STi vs. Evo can swing either way; it really depends a lot on driver's ability and track knowledge.
And finally, I also agree with you that the STi has gone "soft". IMHO Subaru at the very least should've 'toughened up' the RA version (which is what I drive). Maybe they've done so with the Spec C.
Oh I've got another input: local Evo's here complain of a weak clutch. My friend's Evo 7's clutch went dead after only 9000km. When I expressed surprise, he said other Evo 7's clutches went dead even earlier. So, any thoughts on this, Evo owners?
WRX is infamous for having a weak gearbox. However, the current STi 6-speed seem to be bullet-proof. So far I haven't heard of any STi 6-speed gearbox failure.
I got the results MOSTLY on Best Motoring video. For those who don't know, Best Motoring is a monthly Japanese video that reviews/pits together cars (mostly performance cars) on slalom courses, race tracks, sometimes even gravel courses.
The new STi can't even catch up with Evo 6 in most cases, and the Evo 7 is faster still than the Evo 6 (again in most cases), so that tells you the Evo's prowess.
So yes you are right; most of the time, the Evo will win, regardless whether it's RS or GSR.
Bear in mind though the margin of "winning" and "losing" of Evo vs. STi is not that big! In a 1:30 min - 2:00 min track layout, the STi typically loses out to the Evo by 2 seconds per lap AT MOST (when driven by professional drivers). That's what I've been seeing in several Best Motoring videos.
I know 2 seconds a lap is A LOT for competitive driving. But seriously how many of us mere mortals can consistently lap within 2 seconds of our best lap continuously? Even F1 drivers can slip up/down within 1 second (WITHOUT backmarkers) in a 1:30 min or less track layout. So a 'friendly battle' of amateur-driven STi vs. Evo can swing either way; it really depends a lot on driver's ability and track knowledge.
And finally, I also agree with you that the STi has gone "soft". IMHO Subaru at the very least should've 'toughened up' the RA version (which is what I drive). Maybe they've done so with the Spec C.
Oh I've got another input: local Evo's here complain of a weak clutch. My friend's Evo 7's clutch went dead after only 9000km. When I expressed surprise, he said other Evo 7's clutches went dead even earlier. So, any thoughts on this, Evo owners?
WRX is infamous for having a weak gearbox. However, the current STi 6-speed seem to be bullet-proof. So far I haven't heard of any STi 6-speed gearbox failure.
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re: clutch problems, it happened to me within 2 weeks of delivery, but it was diagnosed to be a failed seal in the slave cylinder. Symptom: the clutch pedal falls all the way to the floor and doesn't get back up. Yes, I still managed to drive it to the workshop..... :>
Besides that I think the repeated launches from 4000+ rpm may have to do with the clutch dying early
Besides that I think the repeated launches from 4000+ rpm may have to do with the clutch dying early
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