Zeus, This is not a flaming thread, and how am I being ignorant passing that statement? First of all you shouldnt be using personal attacks, second you dont have the facts to back up what you say. How am I ignorant? If you can't answer that question, maybe you're the ignorant one.

 

Before you spout off with personal attacks maybe YOU are the one who needs to know what they are talking about. Thwack said that DEALERS would most likely not be able to read the reflash. Wombat is refering to Mistu Reps. The Mitsu rep would MOST DEFINITELY either have the equipment to detect the reflash or have the ability to have the dme sent to Mitsu NA where it could be read. It is not illogical that they would have this done in the event of an engine failure. No need to be a dick.

 

I refer a reflash myself as you have more control over the tune - with a piggy back you are tricking the ecu to do what you want

With the reflash you are telling the ecu what to do

No contest in my opinion

 

Do you really think that Mitsubishi does not know that we are reflashing the ECU? And if things start to break won't they want to first cover themselves by making sure the car is fully stock and not running a new program. for instance, if someone breaks a tranny, don't you think they'll first check to see if the clutch restrictor is still in place. That the clutch is still the stock unit.

checking for a reflash would be cake. Any engineer could write a program to detect alterations. It wouldn't take longer than a few seconds to scan the ROM and check the values.

 

www.dynoflash.com will reflash any customer's car back to stock at anytime no questions asked - for free. So anyone could simply send the ecu back and get the stock flash re-installed - no traces left.

 

I take you up on that, but your a little far west for me...

 

Why are people so uptight while sitting on the other side of a computer screen? Anytime you make a limiting statement like that, you (or anyone as the statement was intended) have not got enough engine grit under your fingernails. There is a place for almost everything... and Al now using a reflash only, amuses me farther still. I guess he is no longer a good example for the multitudes though, as he can reflash at will. The point was not that you, or anyone else is wrong in his or her choice, it's that one should never rule out a solid option. Esp. one that applies to the majority of owners. Most EVOs will never see 400 chp much less whp. 90% of owners don't know how, or have the tools to use most of the piggybacks out there to their full potential.

So think about the subject matter and save "personal attacks" for face-to-face confrontations where they belong. I'm too old to bicker cowardly over the net. If you felt that was an attack on you personally, tuffin' up you hide. I'm not interested in angering someone I can't readily put my hands on. I don't take much of anything personal unless someone is fogging up my eyeballs. Especially here!


Ps invisible is a relative term to those who took it at face value...

 

Gmat: I didn't quote thwack, I quoted abusivewombat who was spreading ignorant nonsense. I know what I'm talking about, I know for a fact that CURRENTLY there is no way for a dealership or regional rep to detect a reflash.

I don't think it will ever become widespread enough of an issue for them to want to do so. It just isn't economically feasible. There are many other things they can get you on like aftermarket clutches and turbotimers

How many EVO's are there in th US? Now how many of those have a reflash? You really are paranoid if you think Mitsu will send in every ecu to check for a reflash. Wow, they might catch 1 or 2 cars a year that way. The cost would be prohibitive there also. If your engine does ever fail under warranty, reflash it to stock. It isn't that inconvenient if you can't drive the car anyway.

 

Funny thing I was told was that Vishnu was going to sell re-flashes also - in fact he posted up info about it here - - BUT - then after he starting making inflamatory remarks here about the reflash system (you can do a archive search to see about this stuff ) the manufacturer didnt want to sell him one ??? Dont know if its true - BUT - it woule explain why Vishnu was posting about its upcomming reflash product comming and now it seems to be dead in the water

 

Are you coming with Dan to our shop on the 28th Al? I would love to meet you face to face and find out what is your problem with us and our shop. Don't you have anything better to do with your time than post garbage about us? I thought you were a Lawyer? You of course have heard of slander etc etc......


Brett Payne
Vishnu Performance.

 

Problem with your shop ? I got no problem with you guys. I was just wondering what happened to you guy's plans to market a re-flash system

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...Vishnu+reflash

and someone told me the stuff I posted above. Well - I guess what I heard is NOT true then eh ? I guess you can't trust gossip on the street . It all makes NO sense to me - cause IF re-flashes were so BAD then why did you guys go through all the trouble to try and get a reflash set up and why did you announce that you were going to be selling one? I'm just trying to figure all this out for myself.

So - are you comming out with a re-flash or not ? Fill us all in so these silly rumors can be disspelled

No - I'm not comming on the 28th and I think that whole project is being pushed back a bit

 

Al: After reading the thread you posted a link to, I have to say it is your remarks that were a bit inflamatory...even a tad *****y I'd say. Your anger/rensentment is pretty obvious...caused by what, I have no clue?

 

But then again, the TT is also a "piggyback" if you think about it. It is also tricking the ECU to think that the ignition is still on, when it is actually off. It's just part of aftermarket. Or if you want to, you can reflash the ECU and tell it to stay on for 2 minutes every time u turn off ur car. I don't know if that's possible, but I think an actual TT is more convenient...
__NiTe__

 

That is outside the scope of tuning... which I believe was the point.

 

Ok maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong. To reflash the ECU it's just a matter of hooking up a laptop and reprograming the flash memory with new values. correct?

the flash memory is just a bunch of addresses with data stored at each address. correct?

Certain addresses control certain parameters for things like air/fuel ratio, fuel cut, timing, redline...etc.

So to detect the Works reflash, wouldn't the dealer just need to read off the memory map, look at location X (associated with redline) and see if the redline is set for 7000 rpms or 7800 rpms. If it's set to 7800 then we have detected the reflash. Or check things like boost tables and air fuel tables against a stock program?

Now I could be wrong. My only experience with reflashes and flash memory was back at school and they had nothing to do with automobiles. But if the Works reflash changes the redline, its as easy as reading your car's redline to determine if the car has been reflashed or not. I'm sure that Mitsu could also run a simple comparitive script between a stock memory map and the car in question's memory map to determine any problems/differences.

Now another question is if they have the tools. Well most dealerships have access to a laptop. All they would need is the cable to connect to the ECU to read off the memory map and a simple program that one of the Mitsu engineers could write in 5 minutes to compare the memory map to a stock memory map.

Please correct me if anything I said was incorrect. Like I said I have no experience reflashing an ECU or how the memory is set up.