Sorry for the newbie ? but not in FAQ or in basic search:
what are hp gains for Vishnu vs Works (reprogram only - no other mods); also many seem to be doing catback exhaust - I don't like it loud, but like hp, so how much hp can this add?

 

http://www.worksrally.com

http://www.vishnutuning.com


Those should answer your questions...

 

Also check out the vendor forum. You will find the answer too.

 

I am going with www.dynoflash.com

They did a black evo that is going to the Ultimate Street Car Challenge. I think they custom tune each car on the dyno, and it is all included for only $450.00. I was told they will be doing customer evos in about two weeks.

 

I'm no Vishnu fan, but given these 2 choices, I would pick Vishnu. ECU reflashes are a rip off imo....every part you change, you need to pay another $450-$500 to reflash your ECU in order to fully optimize your car to its new configuration. I would get the XEDE, use the dyno facility's O2 sensor and tune it myself. $500 for a plain reflash is just too rich for my blood.

you may also want to check out this link where the emanage, xede and works are being compared. https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...threadid=38632

 

That is misleading and not the case in every situation.

 

Uhh... I recommend a retune if you change your gear shift knob... and your wheels...uhh..or tires... If you want to bust me on the word "every part" ok I admit that's not a good word to use, but i think we all understand here what parts affect a/f or even timing.

Why did i say a reflash is a ripoff (may it be vishnu reflash or works reflash)?? Firstly, you're buying mass produced fuel and timing maps. Second, it's intangible, once you need an upgrade, your $500 *poofs*. Of course, i'm speaking here on the consumer standpoint. On the vendor standpoint, the reflash is the way to go.

 

To each their own... I don't like piggy backs... or fat women... women that smoke... insecure women... sweet potatoes,
I hate sweet potatoes... what's your point?

I can only speak as to the Works reflash, as I've used no other companies flash, but it fits the bill perfectly for those who are interested in what it is. It is invisible, your getting 20-30whp, extended rpm range for the auto x'er, better mpg (I average 2-3 better with my heavy foot), ultra smooth drivability, and did I mention nothing is hacked and it is invisible? If your the type that is going to have to constantly play with your tuning, you may not want it, then again, if your making over 600 crank hp while combining it with the Emanage, you might find it an advantage (sorry Al).

Some will prefer one method over others... to say "a reflash is a ripoff" is not just an opinion, but ignorance.

 

The reflash seemed to be a great idea when it first came out but now with the field harness there's no more cutting of wires with the piggybacks. So switching the car back to stock is as simple as unplugging a few connections. You can't do that with the reflash.

Personally I think you get more for your money with the piggybacks, you also pay a little more. The reflash is nice for stealth but you don't get anything for your money.

In the end it depends on your upgrade path. If you're happy with 30hp and don't plan on anything else then the reflash is a great upgrade.

The really scary part with the reflash is that the dealer can find out that you have a reflash. He can read your ROM just as easily as you can write the ROM. So warrenty work could be a little stressful, it's unlikely that he'll read it but it can happen. Where as with a piggyback connected with the field harness will leave no trace once unplugged.

 

My dealer doesn't even have the tools to bleed brakes. LOL, so I doubt they have the tools to read my ROM. (grinding teeth and cursing dealers)

 

If you blow a motor I'm sure a Mitsu rep will show up with the right tools. With all the warrenty claims being denied due to racing, I'm sure Mitsu is very aware of the reflash and how to detect it.

 

don;t like sweet potatoes?? WTF? Apparently, you have never tasted my mom's candied yams, with a marshmellows, raisins and pineapple. My wife also makes a wicked thai-style sweet potato dessert. Come by my place sometime around thanksgiving, and we'll change your mind about the sweet potatoes.

 

while it is possible to detect a reflash, its extremely difficult, and no dealer has the capability of doing so. all they can read are the output codes that the ecu reports when it finds a problem.. works has already stated that the output codes are untouched. the only way to detect it is to remove it from car, put it on a programmer or reader than can read it's actual program memory, not just its ouput codes, extract the programming which will be in binary or hex, and then restructure that into human readable language... and the reverse translation is so difficult, that unless the have the base reflash program to compare it to, they woudl only see a couple of one's or zeros different than the stock program. this could be a factory programming error, a bad memory module on ecu, car was struck by lighnting, etc.

so for all intents and purposes its virtually undetectable, and the small possibility that it is, is too impractical for any dealer to really bother.

 

STFU if you don't know what you are talking about.

 

I LOVE VISHNU go with vishnu there gooooooood