That's awesome, since you go around the country dyno tuning your customers cars. Im sure you have some record dyno numbers, Using the XEDE. What were they again? I mean the XEDE is so freaking awesome, lets see those numbers. Im sure they are infinitely higher then a e-manage or S-AFC. You are the perfect person to reply to this thread. Please don't keep us in suspense.

 

Hey why are all the DSM guys jumping on Vishnu's case? I'm a xede user and I love the smoothness and driviablity of the car with Shiv's tuning. Yes it's expensive but the avarage america can't afford the EVO anyway so in a sense you have to pay to play. I don't have enough knowlage of the DSM ecu compared to the EVO ECU but I'm sure there were updates at least to it's firm ware that are diffrent to the gen 2 DSM. Now I respect the DSM community and feel that you guys are great and have paved the way to make some sickly fast drag cars for cheap. But most EVO owers that just spent 30K for there cars are looking for more then just WOT speed. That's why Vishnu is such a popular offering to US EVO owners. For one there are no hick ups, No CEL and best off all no addtional after market MBC or ebc need to be added to xede. Plus Less to take off for dealer visits. The parts are of the highest quility in the aftermarket and fit on like a tailer made glove. Let this rest. I will post up dyno numbers on Monday moring.

My Best and Have a great weekend sorry for the spelling I'm at work and don't have enough time to spell check.

Eric

 

One thing you don't relize is that Xede's Firm ware is custom tailerd to the EVO ECU adjustment points (Load points) and to it's crank single. So there is perfect crank voltage replication with in .1% that mirrors the stock ECU. E-manage is univeral and does not offer this feature. The AFC just controls the A/F and works great but not ideal in my mind.

Eric

 

If you feel off boost drivability is compromised when using more mainstream cost effective products. That have been proven to make more HP, you are mistaken. Why would you have to remove the s-afc when you take the car to the dealer?

I use to take my supercharged mustang to the dealer for warranty work.It had no cats longtube headers and 3" exhaust. The point is, the dealer couldn't care less if you have a s-afc on the dash, and will most likely not even know what it is. For $895 you better not need a boost controller.

You are still simply using a vaccum controlled wastegate flapper. The cost of a SAFC and MBC does not even cost 400 *total*. Until proven otherwise a simple $340 s-afc still makes more HP with zero drivability issues.Any way you cut it, you are buying into unpoven hype that is not backed up by any substantial performance numbers of any kind. That would constitute its $895 purchase price.

 

I have used both As you can see my S-AFC for sale on the bottom.
Have you useded both?? I'm not to gun ho about pulling fuel and not being able to adjust timing to were it's ideal. Yet I'm not ready for a standalone nor really want it on my daily driver. That's great that you had a cool dealer for your mustang but I'm not so lucky to have your go fortune with dealers. But hey in a few years when I can pick up a EVO for 3grand you bet I will be using a S-AFC and mild steel parts, BCC and cutting up the wiring harness. Instead of 1400 exhausts and 895 piggy back units from One of the best tuners in the US.

 

Good points I use to make those types of magazine page flipping assumptions also. Im not to sure about one of the best tuners. I would assume best has to be associated with actually doing something better then his competition.

Until other wise proven,i will continue to consider Buschur Proven and AMS the leaders in this arena. Show me a dyno sheet or time slip that can backup your opinion.

 

To address your concern Eric, I don't think the DSMers are jumping on Vishnu's case but rather asking for results to back-up Shiv's claims. In my experience both on this board and in real-life, I've seen too many people buy into Vishnu's over-priced, over-hyped products because they don't know any better. Because Evo's and DSM's are brethern I think our Big Brothers from Normal are just looking out for their new kid brothers. I would listen very carefully to what the "true" DSM people have to say, and the questions they ask, as they have proven to be some of the smartest people I've ever met. I think that the fact Shiv and Vishnu are so quick to dodge any direct questions about performance says a lot about them. Take a look at the difference in exchanges between Dave Buschur and his supporters and detractors and Shiv dealing with those that question him. Dave is A. a lot more civil and B. gives nothing but straight answers. Now I'm not the biggest Buschur racing supporter (I just have his test pipe) but having gone to the shootout in Norwalk I've seen what his products can do. Take all this for what it's worth, but be wary of "tooners" who dodge questions, change subjects, and engage in childish bickering.

 

Man, i just visited the web, the system really is amazing. Btw, could u give me a URL to some good DSM forum?

 

actually i just found the DSMtalk.com

 

in order of most informative to least informative

www.notabusinessracing.org

www.dsmtalk.com

www.dsmtuners.com

 

Let me just say this. This is not my first modded Turbo car nor did I every say the other tuners are not Great. Pruven is awsome!, Buschur is a little to old school for me but does know what he is doing. I saw his S-AFC setting and adding a little fuel at peak tq to bump the timing is very well play But I think you guys are selling Shiv short. You can see his gains on his website and you can also see his A/Fs that are on the rich side compared to other tuners out there. But he is still able to make the power throw carfull ing advance and boost. In my mind this is the most reliable away to make constent smooth power. Shiv has never dodged any of my questions nor any of my friends. He is neather childish nor imature. Check his board out and you can see how much he replys to. Every post Shiv replys.

Yet again on monday I will be posting up dyno charts Promise.

 

I don't make assumptions I buy everything and pay with it and figure out what I like best. I have two AWD dynos with in a hour or less away from me. And why don't you show me some dyno sheets from your fav tuners on a awd load bearing dyno?? I will even take dyno jet numbers as long as they were on AWD.

Yet again On Monday I will post AWD dyno numbers just for you with A/Fs.

 

Thats called arm chair racing. I would have made more hp *if* i did this, or i would have had a faster ET *iF* i did that


Edit
He evaded direct questions in this very thread.

 

2wd/4wd dyno numbers are the same. Buschur uses the same dyno to dyno tune his 12 flat bolt on evo that he drives to work each morning. Spilling coffee and munching on donuts. He uses this same dyno to tune his 900HP 7 second talon race car.

This discussion is moot because your position is based on personal feelings and opinions, Not facts and data. I have faith in you,I feel you are a lot more hard-core at heart then you think.

Its just a matter of time and exposure. I cant tell you how much money I spent on paper performance and vender sales pitch. To come back full circle to what has been proven to works.

 

It would seem that your intent is not as stated in your original post. Why do you have an interest in the XEDE when you have a well tuned DSM?

Dyno numbers and drag times are so dependent on specific equipment, operators, conditions, etc. Were you looking for someone to boast so that you could shoot them down? Just curious.