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Two guys, two mods, and a tune... in the 11's

Old Jun 8, 2009 | 10:54 AM
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I started from turbo and worked back. Seemed logical to me. you would want to open up volume for the exhaust gases where they are the hottest.
Old Jun 9, 2009 | 03:24 AM
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Data, Mods, and June testing plan:

2006 RS - 3470 lbs w/driver, laptop and Tactrix cable, and safety equipment, 30,218 miles, 38 runs total, 34 in the last two months, ET reduction -.972 second uncorrected for weather and altitude.

Car mods:
Solid Shifter bushings - self machined, hard annodized
OEM MR struts w/Swift Spec R MR springs - struts traded for used parts, springs sponsored by Swift USA
OEM MR BBS wheels w/Kuhmo all season radials, Volk CE28N wheels w/BFG 225-45-17 drag radials - BBS's w/tires 600.00 ebay, Volk's w/tires on loan from 9sec9 and OKIX for testing.

Engine mods:
9sec9 tune - tunes to be released to the community - Free
Hallman MBC - purchased from the for sale threads - 60.00 shipped w/paypal fees
Perrin air filter and Vibrant MAF adaptor retail - 71.99 shipped
Total dollars spent on engine mods to date 131.99 / 368.11 left in budget

Used parts sold to fund engine mods:
OEM Enkies full set 450.00
OEM struts and springs 200.00
Gross 650.00
Net after shipping 500.00

Date, ET, and engine mod history w/best run per outing:
11/21/08...12.998@104.56...tune only,100% stock, BBS, Shell 93 octane
04/04/09...12.862@104.84...retune, BBS, Shell 93 octane
04/11/06...12.913@103.44...retune, BBS, Shell/Sunoco 95 octane, driver issues
05/07/09...12.223@111.32...MBC, air filter, retune, Volks, Shell/Sunoco 95 octane
05/10/09...12.077@112.35...retune, Shell/Sunoco 95 octane
05/12/09...12.024@113.35...retune, Shell/Sunoco 96.5 octane
05/17/09...12.213@111.89...2 step test, Shell/Sunoco 96.5 octane
06/04/09...12.015@112.34...retune, Shell/Sunoco 96.5 octane
06/05/09...12.026@112.52...retune, wounded clutch, Sunoco 98 octane
* all outings run at O'reilly Raceway Park - Indianapolis, Indiana
All runs to date were with all emission controls working, stock engine, stock exhaust w/cat, and stock clutch on unleaded fuel - Shell 93, Shell/Sunoco 95-96.5, and Sunoco 98.

Testing schedule for June:
1. After the clutch install we will baseline the car with the same tune from 06/05/09.
2. Retune if necessary.
3. Flash with 104+ unleaded race gas tune.
4. Run the 2.5" Mil.Spec 100 cell cat with the stock exhaust on 93 unleaded w/26.5 psi street tune. *
5. Flash with 104+ unleaded race gas tune.
6. Evaluate data, select additional mods if necessary.

*Estimated total dollars spent on engine mods w/Mil.Spec 100 cell cat 350.00 / 150.00 left in budget.

Our project goal: 11.50's with 500.00 or less in engine mods.

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Old Jun 9, 2009 | 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by tlcoll1
1. Stay on gasoline, leave the cat on, and try something else until you figure out the limits of the stock exhaust, or...

2. Stay on gasoline and install a high-flow cat from the trader.

Switching to E-85 is relatively easy power, but it isn't an option for a large portion of the EvoM community so lots of folks are going to lose interest in your work. On the test pipe vs. cat question, lots of folks are interested in "staying legal," and it's very rare to see a fast EVO with a cat and the stock exhaust - this is a good chance to do what other folks won't do.

Tom
Originally Posted by LOVEBOOOST
INDY, I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS THREAD AND I STILL WILL. BUT ME PERSONALLY I WANT U TO STAY AWAY FROM THE E85 AND GO FOR THE TEST PIPE. IM WITH THE GUY ABOVE ME. E85 IS EASY POWER!!!!
Originally Posted by Ludikraut
First off, great Job. Bummer about the clutch, but that's how it goes. My stock clutch lasted 32K miles ... gave up the ghost after a clip failure.

My vote is for E85, as I think it to be more valuable to keep the emissions system on the car street legal. In an age where emissions compliance is going to become more of an issue (i.e. checked more rigorously by the state and the law), any upgrade path that allows the factory emissions controls to stay in place is invaluable, IMO. You could also go with 100 octane gas before you switch over to E85. All of the Gas City gas stations in my area carry it. Next upgrade after the better fuel could be something like a 100 cell cat.

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Originally Posted by vmrevo9
wow you guys are right on track. cant wait to see the results on the new clutch. i have to log my car today at some point and readjust my tune if the weather holds. keep it up guys! i would like to see the e-85 but i understand that not to many have access to it. staying with the 93 and really seeing what the car can do would be worth it i think.
Originally Posted by Ludikraut
^ I think that's a great idea. When I finally went from a high-flow cat (~ 200-250 cell, IIRC) to a test pipe, I hardly made any extra power. I think the 100 cell cat will be very close in power to a test pipe, will keep the car legal (sortof), and quiet.

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Thanks for your input . We wrestled with the test pipe idea since it would have added only 50.00 to our engine mod budget, but after much thought it was decided to give Mil.Spec's 100 cell cat a try based on it's proven track record for performing at similar levels to the test pipe with all the advantages of running a cat. This will put our total dollars spent at near 350.00, still 150.00 under our 500.00 budget. An E85 tune may still be in the future after we exhaust our gasoline options. Thanks for following our project, Indy and 9sec9

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Old Jun 9, 2009 | 07:32 AM
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^ Slightly OT, but ... looks like I finally get to install the swift springs I bought from you more than a year ago. Finally got a set of Bilsteins on the way. Woot!

l8r)
Old Jun 9, 2009 | 09:28 AM
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Testing schedule for June:
1. After the clutch install we will baseline the car with the same tune from 06/05/09.
2. Retune if necessary.
3. Flash with 104+ unleaded race gas tune.
4. Run the 2.5" Mil.Spec 100 cell cat with the stock exhaust on 93 unleaded w/26.5 psi street tune. *
5. Flash with 104+ unleaded race gas tune.
6. Evaluate data, select additional mods if necessary.
I think this is a great plan. I've been wanting to get a milspec 100 cell cat for a while now but if I can add it into my current exhaust and save the $1k from a TBE I'd be much better off.

Good luck reaching 11.5
Old Jun 9, 2009 | 09:38 AM
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Thanks for giving me MY marching orders list. I'm printing it and not allowing any deviations in the plan! I'll start working on your race gas tune as soon as I've had lunch. I like your plan and schedule.
Old Jun 9, 2009 | 03:16 PM
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You guys crack me up . You add and subtract all the little parts that have gone into this but consider the biggest ticket item to be "loners" and don't account for them.

Those Volks with drag radials are massively important to the 60ft times you are running. Get at least $2500 on that list
Old Jun 9, 2009 | 03:23 PM
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I wish i had my own 9sec9 personal tuner!!! I know i've spent a decent amount of money and i'm still not as fast

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Old Jun 9, 2009 | 04:13 PM
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jid2, I'll comment about the wheels and tires. With your infinite wisdom, how much do you think 3lbs per tire and wheel is worth when being compared to Indy's et's? The price of a wheel and tire has nothing to do with the results, if comparable results are attainable on similar wheels and tires. MANY stock wheels and tires have resulted in 1.6x 60' times. To prove and backup my point, I'll back any figure on a bet that Indy can and will go just as fast on his STOCK BBS wheels and another set of tires. Care to take up the bet? Mitsubishi BBS wheels previously used by Indy are stock items. The tires he's using are dot approved tires. Tires are maintenance items and when they wear out, you HAVE to replace them. His were old and hardened so I loaned him mine. Don't make your inability to achieve similar results jade your clarity in understanding what we're doing. 95% of the posters know and understand our fun in achieving a great result on such few parts. Because you have a mental block is of little concern to me.
Old Jun 9, 2009 | 04:17 PM
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By the way, the "loners" are only LOANERS and he'll be back on his own BBS before we're through, so I wouldn't concentrate to much on those being an issue.
Old Jun 9, 2009 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jid2
You guys crack me up . You add and subtract all the little parts that have gone into this but consider the biggest ticket item to be "loners" and don't account for them.

Those Volks with drag radials are massively important to the 60ft times you are running. Get at least $2500 on that list
For an engineer you have made more basic mistakes with your build which has consumed nearly one year and thousands of dollars… I'd be pretty embarrassed. The lack of planning, design, and fabrication skills makes me wonder... If I were you I'd be concentrating on my own build before criticizing someone else's .

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Old Jun 9, 2009 | 04:28 PM
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The wheels aren't making any difference.... lots of folks are running the same short times on stock wheels. My best 60ft was made on snow tires.
Old Jun 9, 2009 | 04:29 PM
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although it appears to already have been decided, i vote for e85. i understand that injectors cost money, but race fuel is significantly more expensive. it's a road less traveled by and for some reason everyone forgets that continuing costs will quickly outstrip the small initial outlays you've already identified as available in the used/for sale arena.

to be honest, i thought you guys were cutting those times on pump gas. i still appreciate your data but i think it's a beautiful thing when we can figure out a way to produce more power while being cleaner. while not the case right now, more emissions testing and stricter enforcement are the future. there's going to be greater demand for tuners who can keep customers out of trouble while satisfying the need for more power. look at what's going on in the california based evo forums - the level of development on stock components on 91(!) while maintaining emissions compliance is incredible.

i say fuel pump, 1000cc injectors, retune. keep all the stock exhaust.
Old Jun 9, 2009 | 04:30 PM
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I'm not sure how replacing wear item street tires with drag radials is really valid for what you're doing, unless you can demonstrate that they have no effect on ET/trap.
Old Jun 9, 2009 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff_Jeske
The wheels aren't making any difference.... lots of folks are running the same short times on stock wheels. My best 60ft was made on snow tires.
Thanks Jeff, that's exactly right. For some reason, that's being conveniently overlooked for unknown reasons. The Volks originally had Dunlop M1 Winter Sport tires which we used for my tuning/testing on the street. Then I decided to put the BFG's on and use them for class reasons at the David's shootout in August. After seeing how bad Indy's hardened tires were, I decided to loan them to him to at least give him a chance of getting reasonable launches. When all is said and done, his BBS wheels with different street tires (maybe my Dunlops) will be back on the car and the results will be very similar.

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