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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 09:40 AM
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I might be getting ahead of myself. I think I'm going to stick with the timing belt change for now and follow the classic upgrade sequence. Filter, Downpipe TBE then tune. I'm starting to think it would be silly to go straight to cams before the basics am I right?
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 09:42 AM
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Something else to consider: If you upgrade the cams you'll have to tune for them which is an additional cost.

I'd almost rather gather all the ingredients, do one big install with cams, intake, exhaust, the whole works and get it tuned once instead of paying for a tune after cams and then after more upgrades as well.
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnDoe1984
If you drive anything like me you rev out to at least 7K-7.5K when you're pushing the car. Each shift puts you back to 4000rpm's or there abouts. So acceleration is all done between 4000-8000 rpm's.
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What it will really do is completely change your power curve. You'll go from making peak HP at 4500-5000rpm with a heavy tail off to a more gentile curve that climbs gradually peaks at 6000 or higher and keeps the peak most of the way to redline.
Those are both false statements.

An evo with a good tune and stock cams will make peak power around 6700-6950 RPM. It will still make peak power around 6900 after installing cams.

Each shift does not put you back 4000rpm. If you shift at 7k, you do not drop to 3k, that's ridiculous. Closer to 2000-2500rpm
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 09:51 AM
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manual boost, full exhaust, K&N cone with adapter, fuel pump - tune.
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Boltz.
Those are both false statements.

An evo with a good tune and stock cams will make peak power around 6700-6950 RPM. It will still make peak power around 6900 after installing cams.

Each shift does not put you back 4000rpm. If you shift at 7k, you do not drop to 3k, that's ridiculous. Closer to 2000-2500rpm
Ridiculous huh? Exactly what car are you driving?

I read what you had to say and I just went for a cruise in my car. If I wind any gear up to 7000-7500rpm the next gear shift drops it down to 4500-5000 rpms. I don't know where you're getting your 2000-2500 rpm figure from. I can actually shift from 2nd to 4th and not even drop down that low closer to 3000-3500.

I may be a little off in my peak hp rpm figures but I just pulled them off the top of my head and the main principles of what I stated are true. Cams trade power down low for some up top and they hold HP better to redline. You get a much smoother climb in the torque curve that tapers less at the end and has a slightly higher peak in a notably higher rpm range more so in the torque curve than the HP curve.

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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 06:58 AM
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He's saying you're dropping 2k rpms after the shift, not drop down to 2k
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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 08:15 AM
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I would say, cams, cam gears, good quality timing belt.. maybe valve springs and retainers then you can rev higher
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