View Poll Results: Buschur or Vishnu ??
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buschur vs vishnu // topic and poll merge
Nov 9, 2003, 08:47 PM
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I still don't get why everyone says Vishnu costs so much. Buschur's stage 1-4 is$3999 and gets about 380 Front wheel HP on RACE gas, the Vishnu Stage 1 which is 2450 plus 600 for cams price = $3050 for 350ish WHP on pump gas. So why is Buschur so much better? Also if you are a cheap *** you can do the Vishnu for about 2800.00
Buschur = $4,000 380 Front WHP on Race gas
Vishnu = $3,000 350 WHP on pump 93
Plus you don't have the SAFC pos computer and you have a turbo back that does not sound like a tractor. And no I don't give a **** what anyone gets and I lick no ***. I am just showing all the pro whatever people that it's not TOO good of a deal.
Buschur = $4,000 380 Front WHP on Race gas
Vishnu = $3,000 350 WHP on pump 93
Plus you don't have the SAFC pos computer and you have a turbo back that does not sound like a tractor. And no I don't give a **** what anyone gets and I lick no ***. I am just showing all the pro whatever people that it's not TOO good of a deal.
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Nov 10, 2003, 07:34 AM
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Vishnu's exhaust is about 800 dollars. AMS and Perrin exhausts are about 650 shipped. And they are better quality and better sounding, at least the AMS is anyway.
Nov 10, 2003, 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by 2fast2Furious
I still don't get why everyone says Vishnu costs so much. Buschur's stage 1-4 is$3999 and gets about 380 Front wheel HP on RACE gas, the Vishnu Stage 1 which is 2450 plus 600 for cams price = $3050 for 350ish WHP on pump gas. So why is Buschur so much better? Also if you are a cheap *** you can do the Vishnu for about 2800.00
Buschur = $4,000 380 Front WHP on Race gas
Vishnu = $3,000 350 WHP on pump 93
Plus you don't have the SAFC pos computer and you have a turbo back that does not sound like a tractor. And no I don't give a **** what anyone gets and I lick no ***. I am just showing all the pro whatever people that it's not TOO good of a deal.
I still don't get why everyone says Vishnu costs so much. Buschur's stage 1-4 is$3999 and gets about 380 Front wheel HP on RACE gas, the Vishnu Stage 1 which is 2450 plus 600 for cams price = $3050 for 350ish WHP on pump gas. So why is Buschur so much better? Also if you are a cheap *** you can do the Vishnu for about 2800.00
Buschur = $4,000 380 Front WHP on Race gas
Vishnu = $3,000 350 WHP on pump 93
Plus you don't have the SAFC pos computer and you have a turbo back that does not sound like a tractor. And no I don't give a **** what anyone gets and I lick no ***. I am just showing all the pro whatever people that it's not TOO good of a deal.
http://www.vishnutuning.com/lancer_stage_zero_2.htm
If you are going to post numbers make sure they are right. Spreading misinformation is what kills the crediblity of car forums.
Nov 10, 2003, 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by natedogg
Vishnu's Stage 1 is estimated at 340 hp at the engine by their own chart. That translates to about 270 WHP. See the following link.
http://www.vishnutuning.com/lancer_stage_zero_2.htm
If you are going to post numbers make sure they are right. Spreading misinformation is what kills the crediblity of car forums.
Vishnu's Stage 1 is estimated at 340 hp at the engine by their own chart. That translates to about 270 WHP. See the following link.
http://www.vishnutuning.com/lancer_stage_zero_2.htm
If you are going to post numbers make sure they are right. Spreading misinformation is what kills the crediblity of car forums.
So 271-231=40
292+40=332.
A little under rated like the SRT-4
Nov 10, 2003, 08:56 AM
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They are underrated and it's not on race gas on a 2 wheel drive dyno as well. People are getting 310-320 on the stage 1, cams add 30 WHP about so you do the math 310+30 = 340ish. On race gas add about 20 whp so 360ish, add 2 wheel dyno 380 lol. Same power, less price, less parts.
Originally posted by natedogg
Vishnu's Stage 1 is estimated at 340 hp at the engine by their own chart. That translates to about 270 WHP. See the following link.
http://www.vishnutuning.com/lancer_stage_zero_2.htm
If you are going to post numbers make sure they are right. Spreading misinformation is what kills the crediblity of car forums.
Vishnu's Stage 1 is estimated at 340 hp at the engine by their own chart. That translates to about 270 WHP. See the following link.
http://www.vishnutuning.com/lancer_stage_zero_2.htm
If you are going to post numbers make sure they are right. Spreading misinformation is what kills the crediblity of car forums.
Nov 10, 2003, 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by natedogg
Vishnu's Stage 1 is estimated at 340 hp at the engine by their own chart. That translates to about 270 WHP. See the following link.
http://www.vishnutuning.com/lancer_stage_zero_2.htm
If you are going to post numbers make sure they are right. Spreading misinformation is what kills the crediblity of car forums.
Vishnu's Stage 1 is estimated at 340 hp at the engine by their own chart. That translates to about 270 WHP. See the following link.
http://www.vishnutuning.com/lancer_stage_zero_2.htm
If you are going to post numbers make sure they are right. Spreading misinformation is what kills the crediblity of car forums.
Nov 10, 2003, 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by 2fast2Furious
They are underrated and it's not on race gas on a 2 wheel drive dyno as well. People are getting 310-320 on the stage 1, cams add 30 WHP about so you do the math 310+30 = 340ish. On race gas add about 20 whp so 360ish, add 2 wheel dyno 380 lol. Same power, less price, less parts.
They are underrated and it's not on race gas on a 2 wheel drive dyno as well. People are getting 310-320 on the stage 1, cams add 30 WHP about so you do the math 310+30 = 340ish. On race gas add about 20 whp so 360ish, add 2 wheel dyno 380 lol. Same power, less price, less parts.
All your numbers are theoretical. I find fact a bit more informative. And that is exactly what Buschur gives us. If Vishnu would just hit the drag strip and click off some low 12's with their stage 1, I'd give them a lot more credit. I understand Shiv is all about road and track performance rather than drag strip performance and that's fine. But as far as power goes, producing the numbers at the strip is what it takes to prove yourself, as far as I'm concerned anyway.
Nov 10, 2003, 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by MP5
BTW there are quite a few regular stage 1s putting down 315 WHP
BTW there are quite a few regular stage 1s putting down 315 WHP
Nov 10, 2003, 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by natedogg
...no 1/4 mile ET's. The true tell all when it comes to power.
All your numbers are theoretical. I find fact a bit more informative. And that is exactly what Buschur gives us. If Vishnu would just hit the drag strip and click off some low 12's with their stage 1, I'd give them a lot more credit. I understand Shiv is all about road and track performance rather than drag strip performance and that's fine. But as far as power goes, producing the numbers at the strip is what it takes to prove yourself, as far as I'm concerned anyway.
...no 1/4 mile ET's. The true tell all when it comes to power.
All your numbers are theoretical. I find fact a bit more informative. And that is exactly what Buschur gives us. If Vishnu would just hit the drag strip and click off some low 12's with their stage 1, I'd give them a lot more credit. I understand Shiv is all about road and track performance rather than drag strip performance and that's fine. But as far as power goes, producing the numbers at the strip is what it takes to prove yourself, as far as I'm concerned anyway.
Most are really doing road racing or autocross.
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Nov 10, 2003, 09:24 AM
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Thats what I keep hearing from other people talking about other peoples cars...too bad that doesn't prove anything. Where are these people? I'm not doubting, I'm just curious.
Thats what I keep hearing from other people talking about other peoples cars...too bad that doesn't prove anything. Where are these people? I'm not doubting, I'm just curious.
Nov 10, 2003, 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by 2fast2Furious
I still don't get why everyone says Vishnu costs so much. Buschur's stage 1-4 is$3999 and gets about 380 Front wheel HP on RACE gas, the Vishnu Stage 1 which is 2450 plus 600 for cams price = $3050 for 350ish WHP on pump gas. So why is Buschur so much better? Also if you are a cheap *** you can do the Vishnu for about 2800.00
Buschur = $4,000 380 Front WHP on Race gas
Vishnu = $3,000 350 WHP on pump 93
Plus you don't have the SAFC pos computer and you have a turbo back that does not sound like a tractor. And no I don't give a **** what anyone gets and I lick no ***. I am just showing all the pro whatever people that it's not TOO good of a deal.
I still don't get why everyone says Vishnu costs so much. Buschur's stage 1-4 is$3999 and gets about 380 Front wheel HP on RACE gas, the Vishnu Stage 1 which is 2450 plus 600 for cams price = $3050 for 350ish WHP on pump gas. So why is Buschur so much better? Also if you are a cheap *** you can do the Vishnu for about 2800.00
Buschur = $4,000 380 Front WHP on Race gas
Vishnu = $3,000 350 WHP on pump 93
Plus you don't have the SAFC pos computer and you have a turbo back that does not sound like a tractor. And no I don't give a **** what anyone gets and I lick no ***. I am just showing all the pro whatever people that it's not TOO good of a deal.
There is no comparison between the packages.
Nov 10, 2003, 09:37 AM
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Compare what is in each package and then speak.
There is no comparison between the packages.
Compare what is in each package and then speak.
There is no comparison between the packages.
Nov 10, 2003, 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by MP5
Interesting comment are you saying that more doo dads for the same performance (and a crappier EM) is right up your alley?
Interesting comment are you saying that more doo dads for the same performance (and a crappier EM) is right up your alley?
Buschur Stage 2 (their 2nd stage): $1,900 - almost 350 whp - ET: 12.42@111.2mph
http://www.buschurracing.com/EVO_Stage2.html
Vishnu Stage 1 (their 2nd stage): $2200-2450 - anywhere from 270 to 315 whp according to unproven claims. I've seen nothing to back these numbers up. - ET: Who knows?
That should about settle the hp per dollar contest.
Nov 10, 2003, 11:20 AM
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How's this for a comparison.
Buschur Stage 2 (their 2nd stage): $1,900 - almost 350 whp - ET: 12.42@111.2mph
http://www.buschurracing.com/EVO_Stage2.html
Vishnu Stage 1 (their 2nd stage): $2200-2450 - anywhere from 270 to 315 whp according to unproven claims. I've seen nothing to back these numbers up. - ET: Who knows?
That should about settle the hp per dollar contest.
How's this for a comparison.
Buschur Stage 2 (their 2nd stage): $1,900 - almost 350 whp - ET: 12.42@111.2mph
http://www.buschurracing.com/EVO_Stage2.html
Vishnu Stage 1 (their 2nd stage): $2200-2450 - anywhere from 270 to 315 whp according to unproven claims. I've seen nothing to back these numbers up. - ET: Who knows?
That should about settle the hp per dollar contest.
There are at least 5 different stage 1 dynosheets on this site alone the only stage 1 time I have seen is some guy that rolled up on pump gas ran a 12.7 @109.xx and drove home. there is no doubt that Buschur knows what they are doing thats a pruven fact But some have mentioned some credible opinions about both vendors however this isnt one of them
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Originally posted by MP5
Oh that settles it nothing like the facts There are at least 5 different stage 1 dynosheets on this site alone the only stage 1 time I have seen is some guy that rolled up on pump gas ran a 12.7 @109.xx and drove home. there is no doubt that Buschur knows what they are doing thats a pruven fact But some have mentioned some credible opinions about both vendors however this isnt one of them
Oh that settles it nothing like the facts
There are at least 5 different stage 1 dynosheets on this site alone the only stage 1 time I have seen is some guy that rolled up on pump gas ran a 12.7 @109.xx and drove home. there is no doubt that Buschur knows what they are doing thats a pruven fact But some have mentioned some credible opinions about both vendors however this isnt one of them
I thought a comparison between both companies' second stage upgrades would provide some insight so thats what I posted. I think its pretty obvious that Buschur gives you more power for less scratch.