View Poll Results: Will The Evo Hold its value in the future like the Supra has??
Hell Yes it Will



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No, I wish. But its just not going to Happen...



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Good Question!



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Will the Evo be the next Supra??
If the evo went out of production like the supra in theory it would hold its value better. When a car company stops making a well sought after car it only takes time for the supply and demand effect to kick in. with the supra 2000-2003 they where still going for 20-30k. But atleast in my opinion when number of supra's go down. and demand stays the same price will inevitably go up.
Interesting thread. The Supra is definitely in a unique position as one of the most desirable Japanese cars in the last two decades. There are several factors that I think brought it to another level. Take a look at production numbers. From 93-98 there were ~3500 6 speed Supras, total. There were more Evo MR's in 2006 alone. I remember when I started to look at Supras back in 1998 you could find 93 models with 50k miles for under $20k. I didn't end up buying one until right after F&F hit. Prices skyrocketed after that. Not to mention around 2000 is when people really started getting word about the cars potential. Very few street cars, especially imports, were making 1000HP 10 years ago. There were several Supras doing that. The best thing was that there was a simple recipe for making that kind of power, all on the stock block. It was unheard of. Not to mention they continued to set all kinds of records. Titan had the fastest NHRA drag radial car for a couple years. How about the Texas mile for example. Who gave a rats a$$ about that race 4 years ago??? Nobody until a couple Supra guys shattered the record, and then shattered it again, and again. Now you have $$$$$ TT Gallardos, and Ford GT's coming in trying to beat a 17 year old Yota, and they finally did. I believe Supras also hold the record for fastest and quickest manually shifted factory 6 speed 7.90 at 190mph. Also look at what Titan has done with the 2JZ. They are points leader in the ARDL racing series running 3.90 in the 1/8. Those are just a few examples. Simply put, the car has credentials. It's legendary because its been kicking *** and taking names for 15 years.
Prices have done nothing but go up since 2000, they are leveling pretty decently now due to the fact that there are other cars out there for the same money that have awesome potential as well. But the low mileage rare colors still go for more than MSRP for their respective years. That is purely for collectors and those cars will never depreciate due to their rarity. Example: 1998 Quicksilver 6 speed. 25 of them TOTAL. That is nuts for a megacorp like Toyota.
As bad *** as Evo's are they are still based on an econocar. The Supra was not. Apples and Oranges indeed.
Prices have done nothing but go up since 2000, they are leveling pretty decently now due to the fact that there are other cars out there for the same money that have awesome potential as well. But the low mileage rare colors still go for more than MSRP for their respective years. That is purely for collectors and those cars will never depreciate due to their rarity. Example: 1998 Quicksilver 6 speed. 25 of them TOTAL. That is nuts for a megacorp like Toyota.
As bad *** as Evo's are they are still based on an econocar. The Supra was not. Apples and Oranges indeed.
Interesting thread. The Supra is definitely in a unique position as one of the most desirable Japanese cars in the last two decades. There are several factors that I think brought it to another level. Take a look at production numbers. From 93-98 there were ~3500 6 speed Supras, total. There were more Evo MR's in 2006 alone. I remember when I started to look at Supras back in 1998 you could find 93 models with 50k miles for under $20k. I didn't end up buying one until right after F&F hit. Prices skyrocketed after that. Not to mention around 2000 is when people really started getting word about the cars potential. Very few street cars, especially imports, were making 1000HP 10 years ago. There were several Supras doing that. The best thing was that there was a simple recipe for making that kind of power, all on the stock block. It was unheard of. Not to mention they continued to set all kinds of records. Titan had the fastest NHRA drag radial car for a couple years. How about the Texas mile for example. Who gave a rats a$$ about that race 4 years ago??? Nobody until a couple Supra guys shattered the record, and then shattered it again, and again. Now you have $$$$$ TT Gallardos, and Ford GT's coming in trying to beat a 17 year old Yota, and they finally did. I believe Supras also hold the record for fastest and quickest manually shifted factory 6 speed 7.90 at 190mph. Also look at what Titan has done with the 2JZ. They are points leader in the ARDL racing series running 3.90 in the 1/8. Those are just a few examples. Simply put, the car has credentials. It's legendary because its been kicking *** and taking names for 15 years.
Prices have done nothing but go up since 2000, they are leveling pretty decently now due to the fact that there are other cars out there for the same money that have awesome potential as well. But the low mileage rare colors still go for more than MSRP for their respective years. That is purely for collectors and those cars will never depreciate due to their rarity. Example: 1998 Quicksilver 6 speed. 25 of them TOTAL. That is nuts for a megacorp like Toyota.
As bad *** as Evo's are they are still based on an econocar. The Supra was not. Apples and Oranges indeed.
Prices have done nothing but go up since 2000, they are leveling pretty decently now due to the fact that there are other cars out there for the same money that have awesome potential as well. But the low mileage rare colors still go for more than MSRP for their respective years. That is purely for collectors and those cars will never depreciate due to their rarity. Example: 1998 Quicksilver 6 speed. 25 of them TOTAL. That is nuts for a megacorp like Toyota.
As bad *** as Evo's are they are still based on an econocar. The Supra was not. Apples and Oranges indeed.
Well we are in a recession. Hopefully they completely stop making evo's since there out of alot of peoples price range. But i also agree with the Ix's. It was prob one of the best Evo's made and the evo X bodystyle is completely diff. but who knows, will have to wait and see.
I just dont want too end up spending thousands on my car and years later its only worth 13k. and the voltex canards i spent $600 will be worth $150.00.
Not that i would regret it much but it will hurt too see everything drop so low..
I just dont want too end up spending thousands on my car and years later its only worth 13k. and the voltex canards i spent $600 will be worth $150.00.
Not that i would regret it much but it will hurt too see everything drop so low..
Last edited by VerbalKilla; Sep 10, 2010 at 12:11 PM.
Interesting thread. However I think the Supra gets more attention than it deserves for being a GT car. It is a potent and reliable car and if we are just talking about the Mark IV it was not homologated or forged under world class competition from the factory. The subframe and drivetrain assemblies are based off of Lexus sc300. Compared to Evo VIII and IX there is far more racing heritage from the factory in the Evo than the 93-2000 Supra. I'm not into drag racing so the Evo is by far a better rally car than the Supra could ever be. But comparing the Evo and Supra in terms of collectability I think the Supra is better. It's rare and not in production. With the Evo it is now affordable to people who cannot afford maintenance and this will hurt the Evo image IMHO. Because ratty poorly driven Evos will drive away mature drivers/owners/enthusiasts. Shame really.
Youre saying the Evos are better rally cars which i agree. But not ever in a million years did anyone ever say or think the supra would rally. So thats null and void. At the drag strip the Supra is almost untouchable by any other Japanese car other than like Skylines.
Last edited by NotAnEvoOwner; Sep 10, 2010 at 12:23 PM.
I only said that the Evo is a far better rally car because road rallying makes a better road car IMHO. This is my way of saying that the Evo is a better car for my needs than the Supra and hence a more desirable car than the Supra. Just my opinion.
What makes a good road car is subjective. The evo is way too high strung for most people. It's an enthusiast's car for sure. Someone that can put up with the noisy interior and rock hard suspension. The Supra is a GT that anyone would be comfortable in. It's Lexus like when not in boost. Very Jekyl and Hyde.
I also wanted to note that even though the platform is shared between the SC and the Supra, very few parts are. The drivetrain is completely different on the 6 speeds, as is the suspension, brakes and top end of the engine. It weighs LESS than an SC300, but has the added weight of two turbos, bigger brakes, bigger wheels, a targa roof, and other componetry (4 way ABS, TRAC control) that the SC doesn't have. It was designed from the ground up as a world class GT car. And in 1993, it achieved that in a major way.
I also wanted to note that even though the platform is shared between the SC and the Supra, very few parts are. The drivetrain is completely different on the 6 speeds, as is the suspension, brakes and top end of the engine. It weighs LESS than an SC300, but has the added weight of two turbos, bigger brakes, bigger wheels, a targa roof, and other componetry (4 way ABS, TRAC control) that the SC doesn't have. It was designed from the ground up as a world class GT car. And in 1993, it achieved that in a major way.
For reference, below is a MK4 Supra production chart from Supraforums.com:

In my opinion a combination of low production numbers, drag-racing performance, and probably being the most capable Japanese sports car during the start of the import tuning craze (around 2000) increased the value of Supras.

In my opinion a combination of low production numbers, drag-racing performance, and probably being the most capable Japanese sports car during the start of the import tuning craze (around 2000) increased the value of Supras.
Last edited by 6-speed; Sep 10, 2010 at 01:30 PM.
the answer is NO to every other newbie who asks.... better chance it will just turn into something like cheap DSMS now in another 5 years....
too many made, engineered well but not the same level as supra's are, and body lines that look more like a modded civic or lancer then a "super" car. why do you think galant VR4's are great cars to mod but still worth pennies(relatively)?
supras are old azz cars now but has a timeless look. now look at some early evo's, can you truely say any respectable adult will look at it and drool? most likely not.
too many made, engineered well but not the same level as supra's are, and body lines that look more like a modded civic or lancer then a "super" car. why do you think galant VR4's are great cars to mod but still worth pennies(relatively)?
supras are old azz cars now but has a timeless look. now look at some early evo's, can you truely say any respectable adult will look at it and drool? most likely not.
I Figure since over half of them are already blown up or wrecked or seriously abused, plus the fact that they aren't really built that well from the factory either... then yes, certain models in excellent shape may be worth decent money in the not so distant future.
Think about it (i know this bc i used to own one) old porsche 944's aren't really special in any way other than the fact that they make good track cars.. if you take an old abused 944 and try to sell it, good luck getting 1k for it.. same car in excellent shape with documented papers could go for 5-6k for 5-6k you could get a beat up turbo, excellent condition 10-12k turbo s model ('88 model year 198 shipped to the us) and the market could go all the way up to 18k depending on the condition of the car..
I think that the evo will be the same way, all original paint, documented maint and well maintained examples will hold their values better than beat up abused cars. People tend to think that a little wax and keeping oem parts is not worth the hastle bc (they will just sell the car and get extra money for mods) unfortunately kbb doesn't have an option for modified cars and most people would want to buy an unmolested car thats been taken care of reguardless of mileage
anwyays point being, i think some models will be worth more than others
Think about it (i know this bc i used to own one) old porsche 944's aren't really special in any way other than the fact that they make good track cars.. if you take an old abused 944 and try to sell it, good luck getting 1k for it.. same car in excellent shape with documented papers could go for 5-6k for 5-6k you could get a beat up turbo, excellent condition 10-12k turbo s model ('88 model year 198 shipped to the us) and the market could go all the way up to 18k depending on the condition of the car..
I think that the evo will be the same way, all original paint, documented maint and well maintained examples will hold their values better than beat up abused cars. People tend to think that a little wax and keeping oem parts is not worth the hastle bc (they will just sell the car and get extra money for mods) unfortunately kbb doesn't have an option for modified cars and most people would want to buy an unmolested car thats been taken care of reguardless of mileage
anwyays point being, i think some models will be worth more than others




