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Old Feb 10, 2011 | 07:56 PM
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A/F change due to outside temp?

So I got to thinking that I just got a tune a month ago in the "cool" weather, it wasn't really cold this day. I live in New York. A/F was right near or a tad below 12.0. I know as it gets warmer its going to drop a little more, but my question is how much?
Is there any definite factor relating degrees to drop in afr?
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Old Feb 10, 2011 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 03upstatefire
So I got to thinking that I just got a tune a month ago in the "cool" weather, it wasn't really cold this day. I live in New York. A/F was right near or a tad below 12.0. I know as it gets warmer its going to drop a little more, but my question is how much?
Is there any definite factor relating degrees to drop in afr?
It's the other way around leaner in the summer richer on the winter..Who tuned it?The best time to tune your car is 60 degrees that way it doesn't really change much from the winter to summer.

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Old Feb 10, 2011 | 08:15 PM
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Old Feb 10, 2011 | 08:30 PM
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It's the other way around leaner in the summer richer on the winter..Who tuned it?The best time to tune your car is 60 degrees that way it doesn't really change much from the winter to summer.
I think this is right, except because of the cooler air the boost and therefore load is higher, causing it to go lean.

I notice my afr's were lean, but when I logged I noticed 1-2 pounds increase in boost. I was in higher load cells.
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Old Feb 10, 2011 | 08:45 PM
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I think this is right, except because of the cooler air the boost and therefore load is higher, causing it to go lean.

I notice my afr's were lean, but when I logged I noticed 1-2 pounds increase in boost. I was in higher load cells.

Yeah it would get leaner if the car was tune for 28 psi an now its hitting 30 psi..As long as it doesn't go past 12.2 your fine.
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Old Feb 10, 2011 | 11:47 PM
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Ahh that makes more sense, I had the car put on the dyno at DG Motors in long island beacause I was getting transfercase work done by Dogbox Racing.

Base run of my evo8 on the dyno dynamics put down 270hp/270tq and a/f was lean at 12.5 across the board. After tuning the car was richened up and got a more solid tune and put down 295hp/300tq

And please DO NOT turn this into a DG bashing, all that drama was well over a year ago and I believe he does good work. Will be picking the car up probably Wednesday with my new t-case in and I'll hopefully be posting a video of a data logging run etc when I have it back.

Also, I believe a/f was set to aroundddd 11.8

The day the car was tuned I believe it was around 45-50* outside, the inside temp might have been a bit warmer.

If d.g did such a good job on the tune why would it be lean already? ?And how come you didn't contact pete first??And do not compare ivey to d.g. theres no contest as far as a.rushed tune I don't believe that pete must have told you.this.good luck

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Old Feb 11, 2011 | 06:18 AM
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If d.g did such a good job on the tune why would it be lean already? ?And how come you didn't contact pete first??And do not compare ivey to d.g. theres no contest as far as a.rushed tune I don't believe that pete must have told you.this.good luck
Okay first of all the car was lean when I bought it, after Ivey tuned it. Second of all he did not tell me this. Third of all I'll be posting graphs and data logging of the work this upcoming week. And fourth all I was looking for was a constant change standard (example .1/20*F) or something to that effect
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Old Feb 11, 2011 | 08:43 AM
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cooler air is more dense which would make a car run leaner
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Old Feb 11, 2011 | 09:03 AM
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It's the other way around leaner in the summer richer on the winter..Who tuned it?The best time to tune your car is 60 degrees that way it doesn't really change much from the winter to summer.
From what I understood cooler air causes the car to run leaner...
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Old Feb 11, 2011 | 09:34 AM
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Im in upstate NY and on 3rd gear pulls WOT im at around 10.7-10.8 in below around 15-20 degree temps. So if cold air causes the afr to lean out then i wonder what my afr will be in the summer heat. Just installed my wideband about a month ago so i guess i will have to wait and see.
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Old Feb 11, 2011 | 10:01 AM
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Im in upstate NY and on 3rd gear pulls WOT im at around 10.7-10.8 in below around 15-20 degree temps. So if cold air causes the afr to lean out then i wonder what my afr will be in the summer heat. Just installed my wideband about a month ago so i guess i will have to wait and see.
Your car is running very rich.

Afrs are not gonna change a whole lot as long as you keep the boost where the car was tuned on. The weather is going to affect your boost more then anything and that will affect the afr. My car is always at the same afr no matter the temp as long as the boost is where it needs to be
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Old Feb 11, 2011 | 10:02 AM
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Your car is running very rich.

Afrs are not gonna change a whole lot as long as you keep the boost where the car was tuned on. The weather is going to affect your boost more then anything and that will affect the afr. My car is always at the same afr no matter the temp as long as the boost is where it needs to be
summertime I was seeing boost spiking to 23-23.5 psi...........winter time boost is spiking to 25psi. I think im safe since obviously i have plenty of fuel going in.

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Old Feb 11, 2011 | 10:14 AM
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summertime I was seeing boost spiking to 23-23.5 psi...........winter time boost is spiking to 25psi. I think im safe since obviously i have plenty of fuel going in.
Your definitely safe with that a/f but I'm sure you'd pull some extra power out of the car if it was in the 11.5 area. 11.5 a/f is still considered safe.
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Old Feb 11, 2011 | 11:01 AM
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Your definitely safe with that a/f but I'm sure you'd pull some extra power out of the car if it was in the 11.5 area. 11.5 a/f is still considered safe.
yea, im looking to throw on a few more goodies and then get tuned in the spring hopefully.
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Old Feb 11, 2011 | 12:28 PM
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yea, im looking to throw on a few more goodies and then get tuned in the spring hopefully.
I know the feeling, it seems like there's always something else that I want to buy "next". But then I change my mind 30 seconds later to something else haha
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