Alright...where to begin? First, the Evo chassis has an absurdly high number of spot welds to enhance strength and rigidity. Second, the entire front end is different from the fenders, the lights, the hood, and the bumper. I believe the front doors MIGHT be the same but that's conjecture. The rear fenders, doors, lights, trunk, and bumper are all different, to accomodate the wide body nature of the car (same with the front fenders). The interiors are pretty much the same but the Evo has different center console options where the stereo and climate controls sit. I do know (on the GSR at least) that the mirrors have the capacity to automatically fold in with a finger switch to drop wind resistance a shade. *thinks* I'm pretty sure the rear strut towers are very different to accomodate the different suspension that would go with the RWD half of the AWD system. From there, I believe the fuel the Lancer fuel tank would get in the way of the driveshaft on the way to the rear wheels. Now, concerning the powertrain, the Evo's 4G63 is a monster stock engine but I believe it also faces the opposite way than the current Lancer engine, requiring modification of the inner chassis of the engine bay frame of the Evo, to support the 4G63. Phew...but the short of it: it can be be said (and have it be close to the truth), that the Lancer and the Evo share only a name.

http://www.lancerforums.com/forums/t4653.html <---a thread about an engine swap which highlights several of the differences between the cars.

 

You cannot make a Lancer into a EVO. Not even close. The biggest difference is in the engine. The Lancer's connecting rods and pistons could never handle the same power as the 4G63. Adding the Brembos, Recardos and suspension changes could imitate the EVO but never out power it.

Jeff

 

Jeff surely you are aware that the 4G63 in your eclipse is not the same as the one in the evo? EVO 7 engines have stronger internals and face the opposite way then the eclipse 4G63. If we got a detuned 4G63 engine similar to the eclispe engine this would be a MAJOR handicap. I am not an eclipse tuner but I doubt that 400 hp out of a stock 2nd gen 4G63 would be very good for engine life.

 

That is not true in the slightest sense. I'm guessing you are talking about the bottom end being weakend; well a Jun Stroker Kit will easily solve that. If they change the camshaft profiles well then you obviously just get a camshaft kit. I mean What person buys and Evo and leaves it stock anyways? I've said it before and I'll say it again. This rumor stuff is detrimental to those who want to buy an Evolution all its doing is starting repeditive arguements about the same topics and scaring off people who would otherwise buy the car. Detuned this no brembos that no recaro this blah blah blah?

Here's my answer

 

lonemee, you might have a point in your last post about no one leaving the Evo stock. But really, how many people will go the extra mile to upgrade the possibly "detuned" US-spec evo the make it as good (if not better) than a stock JDM Evo ?

Upgrading is not a simple task, and is extremely $$$$ intensive. A JUN stroker kit is not that cheap. Labor is not cheap either, unless you are a seasoned mechanic that can all do it yourself.

A grand here, 3 grands there, it adds up way too quickly.

People will instead tend to make simple and cost-effective mods, like intake, exhaust, suspension. Few will want to break into the engine internals for upgrades, I believe. Not to mention that you'll want a good uprated ECU to cope with the change (that's another grand or 2 easy, not including tuning).

Just my .02.

 

Well anyone who truely wants it of course. Its like that age old question how did that ugly guy get that hot girl, well because he wanted it so bad he didn't let anything stop him of course that or he just has lots of money. I don't think anyone who can afford to buy the Evo here will be worrying about the prices of bringing it up to snuff. Although your 2 cents is correct also remember that this car will not be going to someone who is poor more than likely it will be to the highest bidder and I'm sure most of them will not be getting financed. I doubt anyone with adequate funding will have no problems fixing up this car. There are people who spend 30K on a civic WRC. So why not spend 10K on an Evo.

 

The engines are pretty different here are some of pictures from the RRE site comparing an EVO5 vs a 2G eclipse? 4g63.

The turbo elbow or oxygen sensor housing



The manifolds


Other pictures are here .


The last Evo before the engine was repositioned was the III. parts from Evo IIIs are used as upgrade parts for DSM cars. Alot has change since the Evo III.

Yes many people build great USDM 4g63s but they are not that similar to a Evo VII anymore.

Erik

 

Believe me there are plenty of people that can't, won't, or will not want to modify a detuned Evo. There are a ton of WRX's that aren't modified but we all know they have potential...just as many cars made do. I have a problem spending 30k on a detuned version that can be had for 24k in Japan. I CAN afford an Evo and will get one if it comes reletively intact. I don't want to spend alot of money modifying the Evo...I already have 2 cars that I spend a lot of money on. I want a fast 4dr for daily transportation.
My source says there is no need to worry though..as I said before they said it WILL be over 250hp, and will be performance oriented with no let-downs. Keep in mind this is going to be their "flagship" model.

 

I have to add here that MMC needs to sell a vehicle that *won't* be modified by the majority of it's owners. People who modify their vehicles are always a minority in comparison to owners that buy a new car that they don't want to do anything to but drive and put more gas in. If all you did was modify your vehicle, than warranties would be pointless, thusly buying a new car would be pointless. We all know how much a car depreciates just driving it off the lot, right?

MMC doesn't want to sell 4000 Lancer Evolutions to a hardcore bunch of fans. They want to sell 40,000 Lancer Evolutions to as wide an audience as possible, because that *pays the bills*.

Besides, it looks like the essential problem here is that we are talking about MMC's Lancer/Cedia Evolution. Cool - but they didn't make the Lancer Evolution 1-7.5 - Ralliart did. And Ralliart sold them, though through MMC dealerships. So there's more than a definite possibility you will see 220-250hp Lancer Evolutions for sale in MMC dealerships - with Ralliart Lancer Evolutions pushing 280hp+ available also, with all the goodies.

Paul Hansen

 

That I truly believe. But the key question is: will they both arrive at the same time or will we have to wait 2 years to get the real-deal Ralliart Lancer Evolution?

 

Let's face it, the US market will always be watered down.

Also, it's logical for Mitsu to strip some of the techno goodies and luxury items to fall within the 30K price range. The GSX is gone as well as the 3000SL . . . both can touch 30K or little over. The 3g GT can get close but cannot go beyond 30K, except in cali.

The Evo will be the cash cow for Mitsu! Max out the profit margin.

I still think Mitsu is doing a terrible job of misinformation by their PR department. They need to get their info straight. You can't string the masses along before dumping them hard on their butts.

 

My question is how did the idea of Mitsu' sending two versions of the Evo come about? Every article that I've read in numerous magazines all stated the same thing; will arrive next year, 250hp+, under 30k, and that MMC was trying to bring the Evo "as is" with changes being limted to government regulations. Also that this was going to be their flagship. I think everyone should have alittle more faith, it almost sounds like everyone's starting to believe their own RUMORS. Just trying to shed alittle light on this subject.

 

Edogg23,

92,000 miles and counting. There are so many stock motor turbo 2G running around in the US with more than 350HP. The key to reliability is the fuel tuning. I never run exhaust temps that are above 850C. The 720cc injectors make sure of this. I rather run rich and lose some horsepower, than run lean and burn a piston or valve.

And of course I know that the motors are faced in the opposite direction. Mitsubishi changed the 4g63 in many ways for the US models in 1995. They used smaller diameter throttle body, smaller intake manifold runners and smaller cylinder head port to speed up air velocity. This all hurts overall performance and helps out response.

I'm just saying that I would love to see that 2.0L turbo motor inside my 4door EVO. The power potential is there.

Jeff

 

You all are an absolute bunch of idiots and an insult the the name Mitsubishi Lancer. OF F__ing COURSE it's going to be moded down so it fits the under $30K Price cap. THIS IS AMERICA OUR MARKET IS FULL OF IDIOTS WHO WILL BUY ANYTHING BECAUSE IT IS TRENDY not because it's good. Look at all the morons who shell out $$ for 4 wheel drive minivans and call them SUVs. The plain matter of the fact is, that the Lancer Evo will be 27-29K and will have about 250-290 horses, and I don't know why you guys are b---ing because you haven't enough ***** to handle anything beyond your 4 banger which you slapped on enough decals that if it was a plane it's crash into a friggin fence before it got off the ground. If you don't like it do you think Mitsubishi cares? No, they are selling it for cash, and trust me, modded down or not: it will sell.

 

EDIT: There are maybe 2 sentences in there worth reading.