Fp black on stock block set up
Man that one went big. Were u in a hard pull when it let go or just cruising?
It was quite dramatic end to say the least.
I don't know what it is, but I've seen so many FP Black/Stock Block cars pop motors. Just local to me (very few modded Evos), I think about 4/4 who've put Blacks on their car have lost a rod through their block.
No I'm not suggesting a conspiracy theory with a Black. Just merely stating that I'd leave it where it is.
In fact, two of those cars were only at 450whp (Dynojet).
No I'm not suggesting a conspiracy theory with a Black. Just merely stating that I'd leave it where it is.
In fact, two of those cars were only at 450whp (Dynojet).
I don't know what it is, but I've seen so many FP Black/Stock Block cars pop motors. Just local to me (very few modded Evos), I think about 4/4 who've put Blacks on their car have lost a rod through their block.
No I'm not suggesting a conspiracy theory with a Black. Just merely stating that I'd leave it where it is.
In fact, two of those cars were only at 450whp (Dynojet).
No I'm not suggesting a conspiracy theory with a Black. Just merely stating that I'd leave it where it is.
In fact, two of those cars were only at 450whp (Dynojet).
Stock blocks and FP Black's are fine. the most important thing is that you get a good tune
I think it has more to do with the torque coming on quickly in the RPM band. My friend is running an HX-40, made 58x whp and runs low 10s and is still on the stock bottom end. He doesn't baby the car either, I'm pretty sure its still together because it makes all the power higher up in the RPM range.
Mine did and it popped. I'm sure some of it's tuning and some of it's just bad luck.
It's understood that it's 'all in the tune,' but in reality, if metal can't handle above a certain amount of heat and stress, they're going to bend/break regardless if your car has excessive detonation or not.
Is an FP Black safe on a stock block? Sure.
Should the OP push his luck and chance popping his motor by upping the boost? I wouldn't.
Remember this:
If you build your motor before it breaks, you're going to be about $1000 richer than if you had let a rod go through your block.
(PS OP I have a built 2.0L for sale
)
Is an FP Black safe on a stock block? Sure.
Should the OP push his luck and chance popping his motor by upping the boost? I wouldn't.
Remember this:
If you build your motor before it breaks, you're going to be about $1000 richer than if you had let a rod go through your block.
(PS OP I have a built 2.0L for sale
)
pushing power out of the stock block means that you have to be careful not to beat on the car too much(mostly down low due to torque) and i think you would be just fine.
i drive like a grandma unless i got wot which is once a blue moon lol.
i drive like a grandma unless i got wot which is once a blue moon lol.
It's understood that it's 'all in the tune,' but in reality, if metal can't handle above a certain amount of heat and stress, they're going to bend/break regardless if your car has excessive detonation or not.
Is an FP Black safe on a stock block? Sure.
Should the OP push his luck and chance popping his motor by upping the boost? I wouldn't.
Remember this:
If you build your motor before it breaks, you're going to be about $1000 richer than if you had let a rod go through your block.
(PS OP I have a built 2.0L for sale )
Is an FP Black safe on a stock block? Sure.
Should the OP push his luck and chance popping his motor by upping the boost? I wouldn't.
Remember this:
If you build your motor before it breaks, you're going to be about $1000 richer than if you had let a rod go through your block.
(PS OP I have a built 2.0L for sale
)
It's understood that it's 'all in the tune,' but in reality, if metal can't handle above a certain amount of heat and stress, they're going to bend/break regardless if your car has excessive detonation or not.
Is an FP Black safe on a stock block? Sure.
Should the OP push his luck and chance popping his motor by upping the boost? I wouldn't.
Remember this:
If you build your motor before it breaks, you're going to be about $1000 richer than if you had let a rod go through your block.
(PS OP I have a built 2.0L for sale )
Is an FP Black safe on a stock block? Sure.
Should the OP push his luck and chance popping his motor by upping the boost? I wouldn't.
Remember this:
If you build your motor before it breaks, you're going to be about $1000 richer than if you had let a rod go through your block.
(PS OP I have a built 2.0L for sale
)pm for the 2.0l , I was going to buy a map 2.0l but if yours is good I ll may be interested
Looks like it depends on what day of the week the engine was assembled,
Mon-Eh torque spec what torque spec, where is my pre lube oil?????
Tue-Dam spilled my coffee in the oil pan, im not pulling it off again...
Wed-Is this the right headbolt sequence, Meh it will hold.
Thurs-Here is my oil for the pre lube been looking for it all week, ahh new torque wrench.
Fri-File this ring down just a lil better and perfect fit, better double check Bearing tolerence on rods.
Lol but for real, i wouldnt push the stock block to much. id be worried about the Crank and rods tooooooo much. The ammount of stress the crank goes under is insane, its basically a jump rope at high RPM and power one thing heats up to much or goes under to much stress and bam.
Thier are a few videos at high Frame rate that show it in slowmotion and how a rod fails under stress, Even the valve springs go crazy.
Save the hassle and build it right or dont build it at all. peice of mind is priceless.
My boss tried to save money on a SBC 400 Crank, got a cheap stock eagle and i didnt want to build it but he was cheap [personal car of his] the engine pushed 490HP 515Tq he got about 150 miles in and the crank snapped... didnt take out the block but i had to sleeve a cyclinder cause it hit the lower end of the cylinder and the 800 dollar rods were ruined, the oil pan/oil pump and main caps. if he only spent 800 more he would have had a forged crank and would have been fine.
Mon-Eh torque spec what torque spec, where is my pre lube oil?????
Tue-Dam spilled my coffee in the oil pan, im not pulling it off again...
Wed-Is this the right headbolt sequence, Meh it will hold.
Thurs-Here is my oil for the pre lube been looking for it all week, ahh new torque wrench.
Fri-File this ring down just a lil better and perfect fit, better double check Bearing tolerence on rods.
Lol but for real, i wouldnt push the stock block to much. id be worried about the Crank and rods tooooooo much. The ammount of stress the crank goes under is insane, its basically a jump rope at high RPM and power one thing heats up to much or goes under to much stress and bam.
Thier are a few videos at high Frame rate that show it in slowmotion and how a rod fails under stress, Even the valve springs go crazy.
Save the hassle and build it right or dont build it at all. peice of mind is priceless.
My boss tried to save money on a SBC 400 Crank, got a cheap stock eagle and i didnt want to build it but he was cheap [personal car of his] the engine pushed 490HP 515Tq he got about 150 miles in and the crank snapped... didnt take out the block but i had to sleeve a cyclinder cause it hit the lower end of the cylinder and the 800 dollar rods were ruined, the oil pan/oil pump and main caps. if he only spent 800 more he would have had a forged crank and would have been fine.
Last edited by blowngasket; Apr 12, 2012 at 08:31 AM.
Looks like it depends on what day of the week the engine was assembled,
Mon-Eh torque spec what torque spec, where is my pre lube oil?????
Tue-Dam spilled my coffee in the oil pan, im not pulling it off again...
Wed-Is this the right headbolt sequence, Meh it will hold.
Thurs-Here is my oil for the pre lube been looking for it all week, ahh new torque wrench.
Fri-File this ring down just a lil better and perfect fit, better double check Bearing tolerence on rods.
Lol but for real, i wouldnt push the stock block to much. id be worried about the Crank and rods tooooooo much. The ammount of stress the crank goes under is insane, its basically a jump rope at high RPM and power one thing heats up to much or goes under to much stress and bam.
Thier are a few videos at high Frame rate that show it in slowmotion and how a rod fails under stress, Even the valve springs go crazy.
Save the hassle and build it right or dont build it at all. peice of mind is priceless.
Mon-Eh torque spec what torque spec, where is my pre lube oil?????
Tue-Dam spilled my coffee in the oil pan, im not pulling it off again...
Wed-Is this the right headbolt sequence, Meh it will hold.
Thurs-Here is my oil for the pre lube been looking for it all week, ahh new torque wrench.
Fri-File this ring down just a lil better and perfect fit, better double check Bearing tolerence on rods.
Lol but for real, i wouldnt push the stock block to much. id be worried about the Crank and rods tooooooo much. The ammount of stress the crank goes under is insane, its basically a jump rope at high RPM and power one thing heats up to much or goes under to much stress and bam.
Thier are a few videos at high Frame rate that show it in slowmotion and how a rod fails under stress, Even the valve springs go crazy.
Save the hassle and build it right or dont build it at all. peice of mind is priceless.
