Why dont they make them for EVO's? any brand that does?


http://www.sparcousa.com/news_detail.asp?id=18

 

wow i love that, id buy one after i had all my other goodies

 

Well, it looks like the car in the small photo on the right is an Evo 7/8, so I guess they have a fitment that works.

But why would you want one of those? Around here, most clubs will not allow you to run a harness bar alone. You need at least a 4-point half cage if you want to use a 5-point harness system.

Emre

 

I think that having one of these around for even your daily driving is worth the install/money, specially for those putting down alot of power..

I know I will be getting one of these when I get my EVO and I am putting down 300+ whp.

I guess it just ensures that you will be safer by having one of these installed.

Worth every penny IMHO.

Renatto.

 

there you go guys:

http://vividracing.securesites.net/c...85621766b55954

 

Blonde....that's for a Subaru

 

yep, but if they sell it for the subaru it means that they can get the other one as well

 

There's more to it than that. Generally speaking, 4-point harnesses can be more dangerous than your stock inertia reel 3-pointer in high-speed frontal impacts as there is no anti-sub strap. We're talking major intra-abdominal blunt trauma (ruptured spleen, liver lacerations, ruptured intraabdominal aorta, etc.) ... this is serious stuff. I'd rather have a bad craniofacial injury than that...you generally don't die from craniofacial injuries. I've spent enough time in trauma centers to stay away from 4-point systems in a road car.

Plus, if you have a harness bar in the car without proper roll protection, you've pretty much signed your own death certificate if you ever actually roll the car. With a stock 3-point belt, you have a chance of surviving: you can get pushed to the midline of the car by the roof as it comes down and be ok. Also, the seatbacks on ALL cars are designed to collapse. If the roof comes down, your seatback can collapse and flatten out. (I know at least 2 people who survived roll-overs this way). This can't happen if there's a steel bar behind you! You'll be broken in half as the roof folds you over it. Not pretty.

Also, if you go backwards into a wall at high speeds the seatback can sometimes collapse...or the seat mounting bolts can snap. This is how the ex-president of the COMSCC died. He spun his Corvette, went backwards into the wall and the mounting bolts on his seat broke. He flew backwards into his harness bar and it broke his neck.

Bottom line: if you are using a stock seat and have no roll protection...use the stock inertia reel belt. If you feel you need more protection, then use a proper 5-point belt with adequate roll protection (4-point bar at minimum). You can use your stock seat if you cut a slot for the anti-sub strap and use a seat-back brace like those sold through i/o motorsport to protect you if the seatback collapses.

Be safe.

Emre

 

Thats some scary **** right there!!! I think i'll just stick w/ my factory belts.

 

Since I'm considering a racing harness for track use, I thought I'd throw this in. While it's true that without any anti-submarining protection, you could slide under the lap belt and do serious harm, there's at least one company (Schroth) whose harnesses employ anti-submarining protection. I believe their harnesses are also approved for street use...
http://www.schroth.com/english/container_english.htm

 

Yeah, well there's a good reason why these kinds of restraint systems are not allowed by any race sanctioning bodies or by most driving schools.

The only thing they're good for is keeping you in your seat. They are not really safety systems anyway. They're just designed to hold you in place. That's fine if you are in a setting with 0% chance of impact or rollover (say at an autocross or ice race), but don't make sense on the street or track.

Emre

 

Ya, but they look sooo cool.....

 

there used to be some videos floating around of what happens with those... one of the rollovers was at an auto cross.

 

Yeah, you can certanly roll at an auto-x but it's obviously not as likely as on a track. I have a vid of a guy in an E30 325is with racing suspension and Hoosiers who went up on two wheels in a long sweeper on concrete. Looks like his inside wheels went up about 2-3 feet! I also have heard of someone who got hurt pretty badly at an auto-x when the throttle stuck open on his Lotus Esprit. He shot right off the course and into the side of a nearby building.

So it can happen...but it's highly unlikely. As far as I'm concerned, those 2" 4-point belts are for car shows only. No place for them on the track or street. I wouldn't use them at auto-x either, but I can understand why some might feel comfortable with them in such circumstances.

Emre

 

Hell, for auto cross use, I went to the local junk yard and snagged a center belt out of a car. Bolted it under my OE belt... works great. I torque it down across my lap to keep me in my seat... the side bolsters do their job and all is good. When not in use I just stuff it under the seat.