Club-CT9W Evo wagon meet up today in tokyo
No, the floorpans between the base lancer and the Evo are so far apart it makes no sense to convert a base lancer wagon into an Evo
I need to get my hands on a Mitsubishi parts collision manual, and I could actually see where all the joints are, and what would need to be swapped between the two. In the little pamphlet you posted it said that the wagon was designed utilizing as many parts from previous models as possible to reduce costs... This confirmed my suspicion that the parts are available. from the wagon.
On the interior, the only difference I see is the seats. The CT9W uses a seat with a slightly different latching mechanism, with different head rests All of the trim is identical.
OK, I have too many projects on the burner at this time, and a daughter who expects the world to be delivered to her on a platter, so this isn't something I can tackle at this time... but DAYUMN... this would be an easy project for someone with bodywork experience.
I need to get my hands on a Mitsubishi parts collision manual, and I could actually see where all the joints are, and what would need to be swapped between the two. In the little pamphlet you posted it said that the wagon was designed utilizing as many parts from previous models as possible to reduce costs... This confirmed my suspicion that the parts are available. from the wagon.
On the interior, the only difference I see is the seats. The CT9W uses a seat with a slightly different latching mechanism, with different head rests All of the trim is identical.
OK, I have too many projects on the burner at this time, and a daughter who expects the world to be delivered to her on a platter, so this isn't something I can tackle at this time... but DAYUMN... this would be an easy project for someone with bodywork experience.
Thought about this myself until I discovered how much difference there is in chasssis reinforcement. Not at all worth it to do. So I bought a USDM EVO which I will hack up to convert my wagon to Lhd, when it's legal to import a ct9a wagon.
It REALLY looks like 90% of the sheet metal to convert a USDM CT9A to a CT9W is available in the US....
The roof, rear hatch, C and D pillars, glass and tail lights are all the same from a base lancer wagon. The only difference are the quarter panels, the rear winglet, that taillight trim, the beltline trim, and the rear bumper, those should not be cost prohibitive to get from Japan... though shipping will be expensive.
I am just wondering if the interior is the same between the two. Here's a pic of a 04 Lancer wagon rear cargo area:
If so, I could pick up a 2004 wagon for cheap (found a few on autotrader in the $3K range) and do some pretty basic auto body metal work to do the conversion...
The roof, rear hatch, C and D pillars, glass and tail lights are all the same from a base lancer wagon. The only difference are the quarter panels, the rear winglet, that taillight trim, the beltline trim, and the rear bumper, those should not be cost prohibitive to get from Japan... though shipping will be expensive.
I am just wondering if the interior is the same between the two. Here's a pic of a 04 Lancer wagon rear cargo area:
If so, I could pick up a 2004 wagon for cheap (found a few on autotrader in the $3K range) and do some pretty basic auto body metal work to do the conversion...
No, the floorpans between the base lancer and the Evo are so far apart it makes no sense to convert a base lancer wagon into an Evo
I need to get my hands on a Mitsubishi parts collision manual, and I could actually see where all the joints are, and what would need to be swapped between the two. In the little pamphlet you posted it said that the wagon was designed utilizing as many parts from previous models as possible to reduce costs... This confirmed my suspicion that the parts are available. from the wagon.
On the interior, the only difference I see is the seats. The CT9W uses a seat with a slightly different latching mechanism, with different head rests All of the trim is identical.
OK, I have too many projects on the burner at this time, and a daughter who expects the world to be delivered to her on a platter, so this isn't something I can tackle at this time... but DAYUMN... this would be an easy project for someone with bodywork experience.
I need to get my hands on a Mitsubishi parts collision manual, and I could actually see where all the joints are, and what would need to be swapped between the two. In the little pamphlet you posted it said that the wagon was designed utilizing as many parts from previous models as possible to reduce costs... This confirmed my suspicion that the parts are available. from the wagon.
On the interior, the only difference I see is the seats. The CT9W uses a seat with a slightly different latching mechanism, with different head rests All of the trim is identical.
OK, I have too many projects on the burner at this time, and a daughter who expects the world to be delivered to her on a platter, so this isn't something I can tackle at this time... but DAYUMN... this would be an easy project for someone with bodywork experience.
That is what I understood as hatesposers' method = USDM Evo VIII/IX + JDM CT9W rear end + donor USDM Lancer Wagon(for misc. parts) = CT9W
Then I read Grimgrak's post and it seems his method = USDM Lancer Wagon + USDM Evo VIII/IX parts = CT9W.
I thought Grimgrak's method doesn't work. The thought process behind this would be that the lancer wagon is not the same chassis as the Evo. MY05 =/= CT9A
It makes sense that hatesposers' method will work. The dimensions are almost the same for both models.
CT9W vs. CT9A
I have been thinking about this too. To me it seems that the easiest way to convert a USDM Evo into a Evo Wagon would be to modify the rear with Wagon Parts.
That is what I understood as hatesposers' method = USDM Evo VIII/IX + JDM CT9W rear end + donor USDM Lancer Wagon(for misc. parts) = CT9W
It makes sense that hatesposers' method will work. The dimensions are almost the same for both models.
CT9W vs. CT9A
That is what I understood as hatesposers' method = USDM Evo VIII/IX + JDM CT9W rear end + donor USDM Lancer Wagon(for misc. parts) = CT9W
It makes sense that hatesposers' method will work. The dimensions are almost the same for both models.
CT9W vs. CT9A
The hard parts... the sheet metal (except for the quarters), all come from the base lancer wagon.
The only thing I wonder about is the rear floor pan... I am 95% sure it is the same as the base wagon... It MUST BE.
Does anyone have access to the collision parts diagrams for the CT9W? also, what is the chassis code for the base lancer wagon?
Thank you.
OK, so I am looking at the collision parts diagrams for the Evo vs the base lancer, vs the wagon, and the side rails for the wagons have a small extension on them. The good news is that these extensions are available separate from the side rails. So in theory, you can take an evo, and weld on these side rails to extend them, then weld in a wagon rear floor pan, and rear roll pan to change the rear end to a wagon. Yeah... I stand by what I said before... You can buy a base lancer, and use all the parts to convert an Evo sedan to a wagon. You will need the Evo wagon specific parts I have listed before.
OK, so I am looking at the collision parts diagrams for the Evo vs the base lancer, vs the wagon, and the side rails for the wagons have a small extension on them. The good news is that these extensions are available separate from the side rails. So in theory, you can take an evo, and weld on these side rails to extend them, then weld in a wagon rear floor pan, and rear roll pan to change the rear end to a wagon. Yeah... I stand by what I said before... You can buy a base lancer, and use all the parts to convert an Evo sedan to a wagon. You will need the Evo wagon specific parts I have listed before.
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It REALLY looks like 90% of the sheet metal to convert a USDM CT9A to a CT9W is available in the US....
The roof, rear hatch, C and D pillars, glass and tail lights are all the same from a base lancer wagon. The only difference are the quarter panels, the rear winglet, that taillight trim, the beltline trim, and the rear bumper, those should not be cost prohibitive to get from Japan... though shipping will be expensive.
I am just wondering if the interior is the same between the two. Here's a pic of a 04 Lancer wagon rear cargo area:
If so, I could pick up a 2004 wagon for cheap (found a few on autotrader in the $3K range) and do some pretty basic auto body metal work to do the conversion...
The roof, rear hatch, C and D pillars, glass and tail lights are all the same from a base lancer wagon. The only difference are the quarter panels, the rear winglet, that taillight trim, the beltline trim, and the rear bumper, those should not be cost prohibitive to get from Japan... though shipping will be expensive.
I am just wondering if the interior is the same between the two. Here's a pic of a 04 Lancer wagon rear cargo area:
If so, I could pick up a 2004 wagon for cheap (found a few on autotrader in the $3K range) and do some pretty basic auto body metal work to do the conversion...
2nd, Unibody construction is still just stamped sheet metal welded together to form the chassis. Think about it this way.... If you get smashed in an accident, they don't just toss the whole chassis away. They order stampings, and replace the stampings that were damaged.
As stated in the pamphlet from Mitsubishi, as much existing pressings were used as possible to reduce costs.
I have looked at the collision manuals for all three cars. The CT9W chassis uses the same side rails as the CT9A and the base lancer. the only difference is the wagons, both the CT9W and the "sportback" have extensions welded onto the side rails.
Off of the side rails up, there is an inner skeleton and outer skin, they are different from the C pillars back, but they are the same between the CT9W and the sportback.
The only thing I have not been able to find/confirm is the rear floorpan. But that's not a big concern for me, as that's simple to fabricate if there's a gap between the CT9A's floorpan and the sportback rollpan.
As I have said in the past. This really is pretty simple auto body repair. The hardest part would be drilling all the spot welds and deconstructing the two cars.
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1st, please don't call me "Dude".
2nd, Unibody construction is still just stamped sheet metal welded together to form the chassis. Think about it this way.... If you get smashed in an accident, they don't just toss the whole chassis away. They order stampings, and replace the stampings that were damaged.
As stated in the pamphlet from Mitsubishi, as much existing pressings were used as possible to reduce costs.
I have looked at the collision manuals for all three cars. The CT9W chassis uses the same side rails as the CT9A and the base lancer. the only difference is the wagons, both the CT9W and the "sportback" have extensions welded onto the side rails.
Off of the side rails up, there is an inner skeleton and outer skin, they are different from the C pillars back, but they are the same between the CT9W and the sportback.
The only thing I have not been able to find/confirm is the rear floorpan. But that's not a big concern for me, as that's simple to fabricate if there's a gap between the CT9A's floorpan and the sportback rollpan.
As I have said in the past. This really is pretty simple auto body repair. The hardest part would be drilling all the spot welds and deconstructing the two cars.
2nd, Unibody construction is still just stamped sheet metal welded together to form the chassis. Think about it this way.... If you get smashed in an accident, they don't just toss the whole chassis away. They order stampings, and replace the stampings that were damaged.
As stated in the pamphlet from Mitsubishi, as much existing pressings were used as possible to reduce costs.
I have looked at the collision manuals for all three cars. The CT9W chassis uses the same side rails as the CT9A and the base lancer. the only difference is the wagons, both the CT9W and the "sportback" have extensions welded onto the side rails.
Off of the side rails up, there is an inner skeleton and outer skin, they are different from the C pillars back, but they are the same between the CT9W and the sportback.
The only thing I have not been able to find/confirm is the rear floorpan. But that's not a big concern for me, as that's simple to fabricate if there's a gap between the CT9A's floorpan and the sportback rollpan.
As I have said in the past. This really is pretty simple auto body repair. The hardest part would be drilling all the spot welds and deconstructing the two cars.
