2004 Evolutiion!!!!!
Re: STOCK CLUTCH SUCKS!!
Originally posted by TURBODAWG
Doesn't matter how you drive a stock car. A completely bone stock car should not have a clutch failure in less than 36000 miles, PERIOD. No matter how you drive it. I am sure some people are harder on clutches than other, those are the people that should be replacing clutches at 36000 miles, NOT 3600 miles!! PERIOD, end of story!!! The old man in the yellow evo should be replacing his clutch at 60000 to 100000 miles.
In Engineering and design, there is what is none as a safety factor (over building for the use). This is where the Evo's OEM clutch lacks. With proper safety factor built in, the hard driver gets 36000 miles and the normal driver gets near 100,000 miles. Dont blame it ALL on the DRIVER!! Put some blame where the fault is. You didn't see these problems on the DSM's. The were designed with the proper safety factor for the HP that the cars where making.
-B
Doesn't matter how you drive a stock car. A completely bone stock car should not have a clutch failure in less than 36000 miles, PERIOD. No matter how you drive it. I am sure some people are harder on clutches than other, those are the people that should be replacing clutches at 36000 miles, NOT 3600 miles!! PERIOD, end of story!!! The old man in the yellow evo should be replacing his clutch at 60000 to 100000 miles.
In Engineering and design, there is what is none as a safety factor (over building for the use). This is where the Evo's OEM clutch lacks. With proper safety factor built in, the hard driver gets 36000 miles and the normal driver gets near 100,000 miles. Dont blame it ALL on the DRIVER!! Put some blame where the fault is. You didn't see these problems on the DSM's. The were designed with the proper safety factor for the HP that the cars where making.
-B
Well by me, i don't think the evo or sti are very popular, most people drive trucks or civics with loud exhausts
. The dealer has only moved one sti and has 2 sitting on the lot and has sold 2 out of 3 evos that they had gotten. They only sell evos by order now because they have had the same one on the lot since they came out. The deposit is probably non-refundable because they want to make sure that they don't have it laying around if i change my mind.
Re: Re: STOCK CLUTCH SUCKS!!
Originally posted by TDC
There has never been cars this race prepped and designed. If you thought you bought a Honda - sorry
There has never been cars this race prepped and designed. If you thought you bought a Honda - sorry
How many times have you seen cars in SCCA racing stop during the middle of the race because of a slipping clutch???? Not much!! GET REAL!!!
I have never owned a Honda and probably never will unless it where to be an NSX. I do however drive a 660 rwhp Supra as well as a "RACE PREPED EVO 8. What a joke.
Brian
Originally posted by Mister2zx3
Retention Manager. Is that to keep customers coming back? What about the big glaring difficencies.. No Cruise Control? No 6 speed to lose the huge 4th-5th gear drop.. Underbody Aero Panels? Mitsu's racking in the dough with $5 brake cooling air guides for $100+ why not some more panels from the mid section back for a few hundred dollars? improved CAFE numbers, less wind noise and less lift.. How about some mature metallic colors too, like those found on the IS300s?
Is it going to take until the 05 MR shows up to get these missing bits resolved.
http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/d/lex.../trim_overview
Retention Manager. Is that to keep customers coming back? What about the big glaring difficencies.. No Cruise Control? No 6 speed to lose the huge 4th-5th gear drop.. Underbody Aero Panels? Mitsu's racking in the dough with $5 brake cooling air guides for $100+ why not some more panels from the mid section back for a few hundred dollars? improved CAFE numbers, less wind noise and less lift.. How about some mature metallic colors too, like those found on the IS300s?
Is it going to take until the 05 MR shows up to get these missing bits resolved.
http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/d/lex.../trim_overview
Later,
Ron
Originally posted by Mister2zx3
No 6 speed to lose the huge 4th-5th gear drop.. Underbody Aero Panels? Mitsu's racking in the dough with $5 brake cooling air guides for $100+ why not some more panels from the mid section back for a few hundred dollars? improved CAFE numbers, less wind noise and less lift.. How about some mature metallic colors too, like those found on the IS300s?
Is it going to take until the 05 MR shows up to get these missing bits resolved.
http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/d/lex.../trim_overview
No 6 speed to lose the huge 4th-5th gear drop.. Underbody Aero Panels? Mitsu's racking in the dough with $5 brake cooling air guides for $100+ why not some more panels from the mid section back for a few hundred dollars? improved CAFE numbers, less wind noise and less lift.. How about some mature metallic colors too, like those found on the IS300s?
Is it going to take until the 05 MR shows up to get these missing bits resolved.
http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/d/lex.../trim_overview
As for underbody aero, not even JDM models get those. The Japanese have reserved the best for themselves (as history has shown) and if their domestic models don't get it, we sure as hell won't get them here either.
Same with the colors. This isn't so much a problem with Mitsu USA, it's Mitsu Japan. The colors we got are the same colors offered on the Evo7. All your posts seem to be knocking on something about the Evo... you and all the other MR fanboys need to just calm down and chill out.
Knocking? uh ok. I just see room for improvement in an exceptional car. If you aren't ok with the car not being perfect, sorry. They did a great job but there is certianly some simple improvements which would make it nearly flawless. Improved gauages is another. Stock they are horrible to read..
I still think it is probably one of the best 4 door sedans ever... But one that can still improve.. Cruise Control, 6 speed, Sequential Manual Transmission, Under body Aero panels.. (Skyline/G35 esque), Usable Guages, Front LSD..
It's not like they don't have the means to add these easily..
I still think it is probably one of the best 4 door sedans ever... But one that can still improve.. Cruise Control, 6 speed, Sequential Manual Transmission, Under body Aero panels.. (Skyline/G35 esque), Usable Guages, Front LSD..
It's not like they don't have the means to add these easily..
Originally posted by Mister2zx3
Knocking? uh ok. I just see room for improvement in an exceptional car. If you aren't ok with the car not being perfect, sorry. They did a great job but there is certianly some simple improvements which would make it nearly flawless. Improved gauages is another. Stock they are horrible to read..
I still think it is probably one of the best 4 door sedans ever... But one that can still improve.. Cruise Control, 6 speed, Sequential Manual Transmission, Under body Aero panels.. (Skyline/G35 esque), Usable Guages, Front LSD..
It's not like they don't have the means to add these easily..
Knocking? uh ok. I just see room for improvement in an exceptional car. If you aren't ok with the car not being perfect, sorry. They did a great job but there is certianly some simple improvements which would make it nearly flawless. Improved gauages is another. Stock they are horrible to read..
I still think it is probably one of the best 4 door sedans ever... But one that can still improve.. Cruise Control, 6 speed, Sequential Manual Transmission, Under body Aero panels.. (Skyline/G35 esque), Usable Guages, Front LSD..
It's not like they don't have the means to add these easily..
There was a huge uproar about the whole ACD/AYC when the car came out (for those of that were around) but the issue has since died... it's not to say that we wouldn't want ACD/SAYC, and I'm sure Mitsu knows that we do (whatever happened to mothership? he heard all of our complaints), but even so there may be other reasons keeping it from coming. Emissions electronics kept the AYC from being fit in. Dunno about the ACD though.
The gauges are ok - they can get a tad difficult to read in very sunny conditions but otherwise I like them. There are a lot of things I could go on and on about.. ACD/SAYC, 6MT, front LSD, actual effective leg bolsters (sorry, these US spec seats just feel a bit loose) on the Recaros, the JDM rear bumper, the 2DIN option, interior accessories (we're missing so many of them) etc.
I am sure that Mitsu is aware that we want this stuff. The issue has been beat over and over again on these forums. I don't mean you in particular, but there are a few individuals who can't seem to just let it go. Especially with the RS conversations, there's always somebody jumping in to bash the RS and say something or other about how Mitsu should bring the MR. I think it is safe to say that many of us would like the MR if they brought it -- I'm just sick and tired of hearing people complain about it on every thread.
Just my .02.
BTW, you might have a better chance petitioning SMT and cruise control with Mitsu Japan. Somehow I doubt that Mitsu USA will have any control over those options. Under body aero... I think the design of the 3" exhaust (it sticks out way too low) doesn't really allows for a true under body aero. The rear diffuser is very possible though.
I don't think there would be enough folks to warrant a pettition, as mentioned everyone is too quick to belittle anything other than what they have.. But the more options we get the better it is for everyone.. The current USDM GSR, The soon to be RS, and the hopeful MR. Bring em all and then some more. It only gets better for all of us.
But sadly the big mistakes in the Evo are lack of cruise control, even the most inexpensive cars have that as an option. and Selling an 2003 Car nealry 4 months into 2004.. Those are nearly unforgivable and are costing them.. But hopefully they will resolve those soon.
But sadly the big mistakes in the Evo are lack of cruise control, even the most inexpensive cars have that as an option. and Selling an 2003 Car nealry 4 months into 2004.. Those are nearly unforgivable and are costing them.. But hopefully they will resolve those soon.
Originally posted by Mister2zx3
I still think it is probably one of the best 4 door sedans ever... But one that can still improve.. Cruise Control, 6 speed, Sequential Manual Transmission, Under body Aero panels.. (Skyline/G35 esque), Usable Guages, Front LSD..
I still think it is probably one of the best 4 door sedans ever... But one that can still improve.. Cruise Control, 6 speed, Sequential Manual Transmission, Under body Aero panels.. (Skyline/G35 esque), Usable Guages, Front LSD..
thats like an extra 4k or more right there



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