So what I have gathered from this whole discussion is: anything past 450hp is when we start stepping into the world of the unknown and we start messing with the internals of the engine. For a fun fast daily, a small quick spooling turbo, a good tune and enjoy. A few bolt-ons here and there. Like I said before I just want to able to start it up, drive it somewhere and enjoy myself and go back to the car and start it up again without having to summon demons in order for it to start again lol thank you gentlemen for all the information I really do appreciate it 😊 I am sure I will be asking more questions in the future that I should already know the answer to.

 

Agreed. 450whp is my limit. Any more and I'd have to start down a road I don't have the energy for.

 

Dd vs race car you mean theres a difference with these cars? Honestly I got bored at 450 whp, bored at 500whp and after a while even 600whp felt slow when your beating on it everyday. Idk my car has been down so long with no tune its going to seem fast lol.

 

Even when my car made around 600 wheel I didn't have to worry about really any of that stuff. Loud exhaust cause thats the first mod we do, I had recirculated wg, suspension was on coilovers no noise there, I have all my interior in still even with an rs, car never smelled like gas until I put e85 in it even with gsc s2 cams it was quiet. I had stock mounts in the engine bay, I had an exedy twin that didn't make any noticeable noise when letting off, my fuel pumps you couldn't hear under the back seat and even now with dual 525s you really don't hear them, and the hp levels I was at the only really scary part was when I drove it in the snow so idk but maybe thats just you and your preferences idk but I had no issues what so ever driving it that way.

 

Because you did things properly, which is exactly my point. The internet is littered with people who do things because they're "cool" or because they're cheap and it makes the cars worse.
Imagine if you had a dumped DP and WG out the hood, crap coilovers that squeak, a bad tune that runs rich, a QuarterMaster Race twin, a pair of 044s and torque steer from worn components and an inadequate setup. Would you still like driving your car?

 

Your absolutely right with everything you said and to answer your question for what I paid for the car and what I have into the car yes lol. But to your point people would be turned off by what you mentioned if they had to drive it daily and it would get annoying for sure. I mean I can see the qm twin or something like that if they have a car like mine which makes a ton of tq because the car needs something like that to stay driveable. But yeah external fuel pumps in general can be loud and annoying. Wastegate dumps yeah those can be annoying at times but they serve a purpose not because they are cool as you mentioned. So if it is purposely built that way to serve as a function and properly done nothing better. If on the other hand as you mentioned to look cool yeah annoying as hell.

 

You need a different tuner.

 

It would need to be someone who can tune flex fuel for less than $1000

 

I'll give you my input on this as well. Since you are new to the Evo world, buy an un-molested, rust free, bone stock Evo. It'll be fine if it has an up-rated cat back exhaust system but that should be it. Drive it, get a feeling for it, then push it to stage 1, on a set of streetable mild cams, fuel pump, some quality mapping, some more boost and a set of quality lowering springs. See how that feels. You might actually be satisfied with that for quite some time. In the mean time continue to research and to talk to people, and even try to get to know Evo owners up close, and ask them to take you for a drive in their car. Try to ride along in different setups, from mild to wild. Once you are satisfied with the insight you'll get and you'll have all your major questions answered, you will also know exactly how you would like your own Evo to be and look like.



I drive a high hp Evo on the street, and to me this last setup I have made, is the most awesome of the setups I've had up to now. The car drives like stock, and on the lowest boost setting it has better fuel economy than a bone stock Evo at the same type of usage, i.e daily driving it. The only difference when driving the car, between its stock form and as it is right now, is the engagement of the clutch from stop in first gear, on the move the clutch is excellent, even though the engine revs to 9,5K. I have mapped to it to 10K rpm.



The car is now off the road , due to issues with my health which have become worse, plus the fact that I am currently un-employed. I also need to upgrade the QM twin disk, as it slips on high boost setting.







Marios

 

English is $800...

Worth every penny to have the car run right.

 

yeah...I'd need to start saving my pennies for that one.

 

+1. I love my Evo because it’s a never ending science project. I’ve owned much faster cars that ran flawlessly because they were closer to stock and more expensive, but I got bored with them. To me, it’s not about the finished product as much as the journey.

 

I hear that. I used to be the same way. Over time, I learned that I need a much higher driving : tinkering ratio It's still fun to do small things here and there, though. All that said, it's been really, really nice doing nothing but oil changes for a while. I even went so far as to buy another car that I knew I wouldn't have to touch to enjoy. Crazy how the pendulum has swung so far the other way.

 

Don’t get me wrong. I’m getting old too. I have a 100% stock S2000 that I love and it will stay stock. I also have a very nice daily that is 100% stock. But for the track and weekends, I like the hard core stuff and knowing that “I made this,” even if I’m ultimately slower than someone in a newer, stock car.

 

Exactly what I've done My track car is slower and cheaper than a lot of other cars out there, but I built it. I just mean that it's built in a way that I don't have to keep messing with it all the time. Get in, turn the key, and go fast I don't want to do the science project or journey thing any more. I've been enjoying it without the extra work. It's awesome. *knocking on wood* that none of the cars need anything else major, any time soon. LOL