Notices
Evo General Discuss any generalized technical Evo related topics that may not fit into the other forums. Please do not post tech and rumor threads here.
Sponsored by: RavSpec - JDM Wheels Central

That damn cost of propulsion!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Oct 25, 2020 | 04:48 PM
  #1  
3kg's Avatar
3kg
Thread Starter
Newbie
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 55
Likes: 0
From: Germany, HAM
That damn cost of propulsion!

My Evo 6 RS (CP9A SNDFL 033) weights 1260 kg (2770 lbs) or slightly below (rear seats removed, carbon hood…). I want to get a minimum of 2.5 kg/hp. So I aim for 550 @ the wheels.
Today, I stand/move @ 355 hp (272s, porting, HRA Turbo, exhaust, mapping…), which is barely 3.5 kg.
Here goes the cost calculation results (find the ingredients at the end, based on EWG light (not too much different from the other scenarios)), not pretty (1€ = 0.84505 USD = 1.10748 GBP):

1.1 The less expensive (more mass) route: IWG, T4Div., heavy rotating assy. … = 26.373 € (97 %)

2.1 Same as above but EWG, single scroll = 25.310 € (93 %)

1.2 The more expensive (less mass) route IWG = 27.175 € (100 %)

2.2 More expensive EWG = 26.113 € (96 %)

The above does not consider the drivetrain: Dog Gears = 4.500 or Sequential (6sp) = 10.000 €. So add it since it’s required.

Overall average is somewhere 34.000 €

355 hp (3.5 kg) = 0 €
550 hp (2.4 kg) = 34.000 €
1 hp = 174 €

Considering profit from sales of my then obsolete parts: 2.750 €, so corrected:

1 hp = 160 € (BTW, if you need only 30 hp gain starting from 355 that is almost 5 grand)

Annotations:

a) Using only proven and available aftermarket parts for tuning, exception is the cnc head porting

b) Using only new items for the build (risk reduction)

c) Total shipping costs are approx. 1.500 € itself

d) Not including “my” labor (assy.)

e) All hp gains are @ the wheels, not the crank

f) Torque is est. to be @ 700 Nm (516 lb-ft)

g) Spool has priority

h) Oil is wet sump

i) H2O cooling not considered

j) 105 octane – yes I have that avail. at the gas station. True E85 not

Conclusion: What most of us already know seems proven – no fun on empty pockets. Turning our evos into something seriously fun requires deep pockets. If you want that kind of performance and you throw in all costs you end up spending around 60 grand. Is it worth it? I do believe yes – if you can afford it. For my part, I found out I cannot! Puh. Or maybe by reducing weight to 870 kg (1920 lbs) just by means of ridding/ripping of parts…

The list below shows the final prices (scenario 2.2 (+4/-7%) including gearbox) once at my door.
Some items have no costs, these I already have.

Have you achieved 550 @ the wheels? If so, how did you get there, what parts have you changed/modified and at what costs?

Cheers
Kris










Last edited by 3kg; Oct 25, 2020 at 04:57 PM.
Reply
Old Oct 25, 2020 | 08:01 PM
  #2  
Jonno99's Avatar
Evolved Member
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Liked
 
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 1,389
Likes: 70
From: Australia
Hmmmmm .....PhD in Evo, I'm about a 3.42 kg guy which is enough for me at the moment. Keep us updated on your build journey
Reply
Old Oct 27, 2020 | 03:56 PM
  #3  
Biggiesacks's Avatar
EvoM Community Team Leader
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,690
Likes: 708
From: West Coast
Gotta pay to play You should probably budget more for the injectors and get a good High-Z set. I might have missed it but I didn't see much in the way of fuel system upgrades in your plan. If your going to do any launching at that power level you will probably want to upgrade the front diff as well. Speaking of putting the power down your probably going to want to get some bigger wheels and more rubber to help with that. Then there is stopping all that power...... lol its a bottomless pit you can just keep shoveling money into. Which comes back to your stated goal, any context behind that or is it just some arbitrary number you came up with?

I would argue with you that an evo can be seriously fun in stock form, its all about your perspective I guess. You might just wanna sell the evo and build something like an Ultima RS for the dollar to hp/kilo ratio.
Reply
Old Oct 28, 2020 | 01:56 PM
  #4  
3kg's Avatar
3kg
Thread Starter
Newbie
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 55
Likes: 0
From: Germany, HAM
I like west coast, Spent 3 yrs. in escondido, ocs and encinitas - long time ago, good times...
Fuel delivery is a good point. Inj. will/would be bosch motorsport ev14 2000 cc sourced locally. today I run ev14 800 deatsch with a DW 300(?) fuel pump, already hi-z. You got a point there in terms of delivery, not so much a cost reducer though. I'm now thinking DW feeder pump --> filter --> swirl pot --> Bosch 044 delivery pump --> regulator etc.. Will add that to the shopping cart... grrr.
Drivetrain is supposed to be robust enough, but thanks for the hint, I will look into that. Brakes are stoptech trophy 4 pot and oem rear. Overall gearing will be Vmax 220+ km/h (140) @ 7.2, so I'm not concerned on stopping - more on shifting. Traction will be addressed once I totally loose it Quater mile ain't my thing, more curves...
I have my evo since 2008 and sort of a deep relationship = done almost complete inside out... I'm evo.
Cheers

2.5 is quite the number in terms of staying on the durability/reliability side of what you can get out of 2.3 liters w/o loosing to permanent maintenance. Call it the "break even"...

Last edited by 3kg; Oct 28, 2020 at 02:12 PM.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
02lancerguy
Lancer How To Requests / Questions / Tips
22
Jul 12, 2009 09:52 AM
zedevo
Evo General
18
Jun 30, 2009 01:12 PM
Mean TT
Evo Engine / Turbo / Drivetrain
2
Oct 6, 2004 10:46 PM
Mister2zx3
Evo Engine / Turbo / Drivetrain
14
Jun 4, 2004 10:51 AM
GTVEVO
Evo General
6
Mar 13, 2004 07:59 AM




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:08 AM.