He explained why they suck. Long time to fully lock.

 

I think we'll get what the RS comes with: viscous coupling center diff and a mechanical plate diff at the rear.
BTW, I think you could turn better times on autox/roadcoarse minus the ayc/acd. It is when there are adverse conditions (rain, snow, gravel) that the ayc really helps the most. In dry conditions an RS Evo will likely turn better times than a GSR with professional drivers..

 

Yeap... All EVOs suck!! Especially the 4/5/6

Maybe you might be able to understand these guys better than me.

Now pay close attention to what they are saying.

Part 1- http://people.clemson.edu/~jhavird/ricer_bs_1.mpg

Part 2- http://people.clemson.edu/~reamj/Joh...%20Prelude.mpg

Buh?

 

for everyone who says if the VIII doesn't have ACD/AYC and a 6spd that it won't compete with the STi i'm sorry but you are retarded and should be thrown from a bridge . seriously IF IT GETS A 5SPD SO WHAT GET OVER IT, CRY ME A RIVER FOR GOD SAKE. BE HAPPY YOU ARE GETTING AN EVO AND QUIT SAYING IF IT DOESNT HAVE THIS AND THAT I WILL BE SKEPTICAL. obviously you aren't a sturdy mitsu fan if you are going to run to STi because the VIII is missing some things. IT WILL COMPETE WITH THE STi so quit all your @#$&ing babying, or do you need me to put a pacifier in your mouth?

 

k_fabec,

Thanks for the laugh. That was absolutely incredible.

 

I never was a big fan cause they almost always screw the US and thats exactly what I think people are complaining about. I love any company thats willing to give you one hell of a bang for your buck and up until now has never really had a good quality bang for your buck in america. This is the first that I have ever wanter/been able to afford. Had they brough more vr4 versions and less oz rally editions then I would be a much more loyal fan but until now all I've seen is the US constantly getting shafted

My 2 cents

 

guarck, i bet you are also never a big fan of any Japanese car company then, based on what you said?

Every single Japanese car company does not currently bring its top models into the US and so the US gets "shafted" yes?
This includes the Nissan Skyline, Silvia, Mitsu Evo, Subaru STi, Mazda RX7, Toyota Supra
So, start selling off your Maxima now, since Nissan totally shafted you by not bringing over the Skyline GTR at all

I think you should get an American car instead.
All the american manufacturers have their top cars here for sale.
Dodge Viper SRT, Ford Mustang SVT, Chevy Corvette
They definitely dont shaft the American public
Oh, BMW is ok too, since they now have the full powered M3

 

Guack007,

That is a very harsh appraisal of Mitsubishi’s activities in the USA.

Perhaps you are right but I think that for a small Japanese manufacturer, Mitsubishi is doing a credible job in your market. America is a unique and difficult place for the auto-industry. Peculiar regulations make entry more challenging then elsewhere. The front mount intercooler must have presented challenges with your 5mph bumper nonsense.

I believe that whichever variant of the Evo you guys end up with, the huge potential of the car will quickly be exploited. With the wealth of experience already present in America, DSM tuners will quickly have any shortcomings you may find sorted out. The late model 4G63 is incredibly strong. I have been running 23 lb of boost for the past two years with a completely stock engine. No turbo, bolts, rods, pistons, nada. I am still using the stock fuel pump, injectors, and fuel pressure regulator. An aftermarket ECU is a must but don’t underestimate this engine. The drive train is robust and well tried. The design will tolerate sensible hard use.

This will be an extremely good car.

 

well said Braf.
the evo will be as fast as you want it to be, it all depends on cash. I completely understand why some are miffed if the US Evo has inferior performance to the World model, but such is life.... I support people in expressing their opinion, but so far everyone's opinion is based totally on speculation, not fact. lets wait & see the car before we unload on Mitsubishi. Subaru did a good job with the WRX, and the STi looks good, so lets all keep our fingers crossed that Mitsubishi will follow their trend.

I understand that many people don't like the spy shots & Vegas shots, I really don't either compared to the Evo7. But, I would rather have an Evo8 with a stupid front end, that I can swap out, then no Evo at all.

Yes, car companies rarely bring in their performance models into the US, but there is good reason for this. Lets admit it folks, the majority of the drivers out there suck ***. Secondly, most people in the US would rather drive a land barge (think suburban or expedition) then a performance car of any kind. Toyota (Supra), Mitsubishi (GTO), Mazda (RX7), Nissan (300ZX) all tried to sell their halo sports car in the US - all of which were failures despite the fact that are wonderful cars.

my 2 cents....

 

I did over react a little but i think if you re-read the post I reacted to you may understand my emotion. As far as nissan shafting us by not giving us the skyline and I should sell my maxima, I say why are we comparing a maxima to a skyline. Two EXTREMELY different cars here guys. No other sedan in nissans entire world lineup is a better j-spec version of the same car (ie. no type R maxima). As far as not liking any Japanese manufacturers I can honestly say that up until about a couple of years ago I really didn't due to the fact that none of them have been offering anything that could compete with the maxima in the perrformance/dollar. Only recently have the first sub 6 sec. (0-60)cars (350z,WRX,s2000) for under 30k come out. I am not at all saying that in any form the Evo and STI shouldn't come over. All I'm saying is that for once it would be nice to have what they have in Japan. Sports cars that aren't all displacemaent and don't weigh 3500lbs+. I understand that due to crappy regulations we cant have the exact same cars but why don't the japanese auto makers bring them over here and tune the lost HP back into the cars some US compliant way like ram air intakes on the US spec cars to make up for the HP lost in the US spec exhaust? We all know that HP can be easily made on a turbo so why don't they do it and sell us a finished product that would rival their j-spec models. As far as Honda they were the worst. Not a single fast car (sub6sec.) in thier whole lineup, until the s2000 came. Which brings me to a few ?'s so I can be more informened b4 I go off on the Japanese auto makers.

Is thier a faster version of the S2000, new 350Z, or WRX(not STI,cause to me they are 2 different cars.), available anywere in the world?

So lets see out of all the fast sub30k cars in the world we get 3 and a few years ago it was 0. So yes I guess any form of the STI and Evo will be good seeing as how they almost double our total number of choices, but with dozens of fast cars in production in japan you'd think we'd have some more. The reason I was so upset at in particular is cause they have none, zero, zilch. We all know that they make fast cars, just NONE for here. Until they start making some I have no way to be a hardcore fan.

My 2 cents.

 

geez

 

one thing, LOL@ us getting cars tuned to the same HP as a j-spec. that's what makes it J-spec otherwise it's just spec because the car won't differentiate. thats like having the best tuning program that no one can beat and then selling the secrets to every other tuner to make all the cars as equally fast.

 

You guys are also missing the economics of it all...it not that Nissan,Mazada,Toyota and Mitsu don't want to sell the cars over there in US..it's just very difficult to meet US emissions and crash safety standards....one of highest standards in world. Why are they so high you ask...simply put American legislators being pressured by big American Motor Companies and Petrol Industries and enviromentalists. They want American dollars being spent on American products NOT imports. What about HONDA you say....Well if you look at HONDA's track record...HONDA never really intended to compete with America's big 3 with power performance...they wanted win America dollars by offering a fuel-efficient vehicle at relatively cost and low maintenance. The V-TEC engine was orginally designed to be a more powerful(YES) but more fuel efficient dependable motor. YES, they do make the NSX and S2000 but you guys still dont get J-spec ones why...again emissions and ever changing safety standards. No company can afford to simply ignor a market for it's product. But if the market is controlled by standards and regulations...then the company has to ask itself is market lucrative enough to invest more money toward R&D? Unfortunately, when it comes to performance cars...the number of buyers are just not high enough.... to make venture worth while. It's OK though, I can't buy some of your guys super-cars either...ie Mustang SVT

 

Why not Corvette Z06. Both does 12's in the quarter mile but the vette handles/brakes a lot better.

I wouldn't be surprised if they brought over the same evo and detune the JDM model like they did with the WRX "was 280ps". I know the jdm has variable valve but due to production cost they might detune all the car for emission due to the importation to UK and the US.

As for the nsx what different between the Zarnadi and JDM's type S?

 

I'm working wayyy too late, so I'm going to keep this brief:

No, the Japanese are not engaged in some secret plan to keep their best vehicles away from America.

The reasons they didn't are plentiful:
1) emissions - turbo cars are not, and were not, good at this. JDM turbo vehicles are dirty dirty dirty!

2) crash safety - why do you think they were so fast? They were light.

3) emissions

4) special interest vehicles - the GT-R, the Evo, and the STi were originally special production homologation vehicles that generated *no* profit for the companies, and were instead only to meet racing homologation rules.

5) consumers - you seem to all forget that Americans quit buying expensive Japanese sports cars, such as the Z, the RX-7, the Supra, the GTO.... Let's give an example - in the late 80's, Subaru sold a turbo 2.2-litre Legacy - the version that they also used for the WRC at that time. Sales? What sales? Galant VR-4 - same story. After being burned by American consumers on those vehicles, the manufacturers got a message that said "give us honda civics, which sell like nothing else!" And so they sent over the small motored FWD's, and they sold like nothing else.

There is no conspiracy. There's no plan to withhold. They don't do it so that the Japanese will have better models (in fact, the americans got the Z and the Supra, NSX with *more* power than JDM). It's just a host of factors, real ones.

Cheers,

Paul Hansen