"Don't shoot the messenger" certainly doesn't apply here...

The Japanese manufacturers are not *trying* to deny Americans their "best" cars, it's just that the cars that you all are excited about tend to have a lot of other unmentioned compromises, ones that are ok in Japan, but not in America, land of Lawyers and Governmental Regulations. I'm starting to get this desire to actually put together an article about it.

From reports, the AYC/ACD do require more maintenance than Americans may be used to in a car that's probably going to be driven 3-5 times more miles per year than it is in Japan. That's at present, of course - MMC may make a more user-friendly and repair-shop friendly version in the (near?) future.

Other reasons may simply have to do with costs. If the rumours are correct towards a 3.8-million yen Evo VIII (for a variety of reasons), then the thought of convincing American drivers that a Lancer - even with an incredible drive system - is worth $35,000-$40,000 may have been too much for them. Look at the amount of people naysaying the Phaeton, because it's a VW. The users on this board may be ok with that (though not from what I'm seeing), but the general buyers may be less forgiving.

It's not cheap making a 300+ hp 2.0-litre - not one that has to have an actual warranty that's more than a few months in length. The other drivetrain components are not cheap either. MMC may have had to cut costs to make a viable price point, and if so, certain pieces may be omitted so that the majority can make the cut. Training service departments to handle the more exotic bits is a problem, also.

There's certainly time to go till launch, so let's wait and see what it really ends up like.

Cheers,

Paul Hansen

 

I really don't see how it DOESN'T apply here. Broeli came on and offered up the info he had received, just like every other single rumor that's been posted here. Broeli has ZERO say in what's done to the car, so I see no point to tear him down for A) something he's just relaying from a source B) having no control over what's done to the Evo.

I sahre the concern of everyone on this board as far as rumors go, but that's NO reason for going out and ripping people like Broeli apart....that's just ridiculous.

Hooby

P.S. - Once again...Mitsubishi has said NUMEROUS TIMES that the Evo will be sub $30k for MSRP....not $35-40k.

P.P.S - I saw a 350Z tonight....and it looked SCHWEEEEEEET!!

 

"the thought of convincing American drivers that a Lancer - even with an incredible drive system - is worth $35,000-$40,000 may have been too much for them"

hey the S2000 is 32k and i saw a hell of a lot of them selling for 39k stock from the dealership, who would pay almost 40k for a honda.......

 

maybe an NSX. I think this info sounds awesome, it may even be within my price range. This car will definetly pick up where the cambird left off as far as performance and hp value champ.

 

Sorry, it was a combination of sarcasm and a reference to the forum in general, not Broeli. People were/are pretty quick to leap on somebody if they have news they don't like. If anybody paid attention, they'd know Broeli is trying to help, not hinder Evo owners in general.

Cheers,

Paul Hansen

 

Well, then look at the sales of S2000... it's cheaper than both
boxster and BMW M roadster and having similar performance...
but I believe both of them out sell the S2000..
Also, S2000 doesn't have a $15,000 econobox counter part...

Imagine if they put in a turbo charged 2.0 with 4 wheel drive on
a Toyota Echo.. and try to sell it for $30,000... would you buy it??

 

Last time i've checked the M roadster does 13.2's in the quarter.

As of the ACD/AYC why would the allocation of vehicles be based on service, as broeli informed us? Since the RS doesn't have AYC maybe we'll get the ACD from the sounds of mitsubishi's concerns regarding service? The snow, gravel, and tarmac selection would really attract U.S. buyer expecially in the commercials.

 

Sorry.. I'm referring to the pre 01 model...
Actually.. m roadster probably never out sell S2000.. but the
Z3s certainly did (worse performance with higher price than
S2000 in stock form)

 

Ok, why no 6 speed? The reasons for not having ayc/acd due to maintenance I can accept - however what's the reasoning for no 6 speed? That doesn't make much sense. There was mention of some sort of improved front drivetrain, any word on that?

Thanks,
Very curious stuff.

 

Thanks for taking the time the post the info you do have Broeli.
There are some of us who appreciate your efforts. No matter what, you will always find a lot of people who will use your willingness to be helpful as an opportunity to crap on you. The way they act you would almost think that they were paying you for this info.
Hey, if anyone has any info about the availability here in Canada it sure would be handy.
Anyway thanks again Broeli. Hopefully your friend doesn't find out that you are sharing the info they are giving you.

 

Here is basically what he said reference the 6-speed and ayc:

"The %-speed works fine. Don't expect to see a ^-speed in the US very near future. Dealer show pictures are far more representative, obviously.

The electronic traction control pieces (AYC ACD) found on the current Evo VII are very nice. If you must have this drivetrain, there are those Evo VII greymarketeers.

WRX and Evo will be a rivalry we expect to see here for years to come. The EVoVIII is will be a product that will compete favorably with the upcoming STi. The Scooby's transmissions, even the 6-speed are still a bit fussy under larger boost. "

 

ONCE YOU GO GREY,YOU GO ALL THE WAY

 

No offense broeli, but what makes this "person" different than any other source?

IMO, it's only another rumor, which is why it is in the "Rumor" section. When it comes to car salesmen, you hear something different every time!

 

I am going to stop trying to defend the info I posted because SOME people don't read or just simply refuse to believe anything...BUT once again this is not coming from a car salesman. I'm not about to beleive a single word from ANY salesman. This is from someone inside Mitsu Corp. This thread was to inform people of reliable info I received..and I think it all sounds very accurate AND reliable.
From now on I'll keep any further info to myself..no big deal to me. I may have more info shortly reference the Evo and Ralliart in the US...but I'll just keep it to myself

 

Broeli, don't take anything said personally. I'm not calling you a liar! It's just that we have heard too much of anything and everything, and everytime, someone seems to say it's "reliable". IMHO, the only thing that's reliable is the arrival of the VIII to the US, and that will provide the US with a car able to push the limits, and be in the same league (hopefully better) as the STi. The EVO will always be an EVO, regardles of where it's sold, and if tends to keep it that way, it WILL come with everything found in the past EVO's, and then some.