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is the EVO the new DSM, as far as build quality?

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Old Jun 29, 2004 | 09:21 AM
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Honestly the Evo feels like a 2G if it were built properly, seriously. Take Everything good about a 2G and subtract all the bad = the Evo.


The Bad is only the weaker bottom end, weak flowing head, weak *** T-25, Weak *** SMIC, weak injectors, weak FP and FPR, weaker clutch, weak rubber, weak interior space, Weak BOV that leaks @ 12PSI, Weak UPIC pipe, Weak open diffs, weak crank walk, you know....
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This is exactly what I am talking about! "My 2g DSM is the best car ever made, but it has a weaker bottom end, weak flowing head, weak *** T-25, Weak *** SMIC, weak injectors, weak FP and FPR, weaker clutch, weak rubber, weak interior space, Weak BOV that leaks @ 12PSI, Weak UPIC pipe, Weak open diffs, weak crank walk..." I've heard this thousands of times, I used to say it. Yeah, my 1g is fast as hell. Where's it at? Oh, at the shop again. It has 80,000 miles, but an additional 40,000 on the back of towtrucks.
Thank god the EVO is engineered to be a car that can take the abuse, I think and pray....perhaps that was the major difference between the DSM and the EVO. The DSM had lots of potential but only 200HP, so they figured they didn't have to make it that sturdy, the EVO has 270HP and had to be engineered as such....
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Old Jun 29, 2004 | 09:35 AM
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The 2G DSM has just a smuch potential, just needs more work thats all...
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Old Jun 29, 2004 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by umiami80
The 2G DSM has just a smuch potential, just needs more work thats all...
haha, same logic. Sure, she f***s everyone in the neighborhood, but she'll realize she loves me still and come around, if I just treat her right and do what she wants....
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Old Jun 29, 2004 | 03:37 PM
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what i can say is that if mitsu and mitsu alone made the cars then most of the problems that they do have, wouldn't have happend... it's chrysler's ****ty 2 year quality that ruins the cars they build... i'm not saying it wouldn't have ANY problems, but come on...
But what if? It was! I mean think about it. what influence did Chrysler really have on the DSMs (and I mean turbo DSM which is what this is about.) The engine and transmission came from Japan, the car was assembled by American workers in a plant that is today wholly owned by Mitsubishi. the look of the 2G was developed in Mitsubishi's design studios. Chrysler had very little to do with it, if any at all - they just got the added benefit of selling them under the Plymouth and Eagle brands.

We could say that is was just the overall market conditions Mitsubishi faced forceing them to cut corners wherever they could to keep a turbo coupe Fwd or Awd in the price range of other competitive cars. Or that the QC of the plant wasn't very good. Or that the factory workers themselves weren't that great.

Today the same plant turns out Galants, Endeavors and Eclipses still, and the Galant just placed very highly in JD Power's initial Q survey, the Endeavor gets high marks too.

Think about the Dodge Stealth. You don't hear about inherent quality problems in them, and they all came out of Japanese factories right along side of the 3000GT's.
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Old Jun 29, 2004 | 05:08 PM
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i'm just saying Mitsu did compromise the quality of their cars by being bought by Chrysler... and i swear that if Mercedes does the same i will not buy one either!!
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Old Jun 29, 2004 | 05:18 PM
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Today the same plant turns out Galants, Endeavors and Eclipses still, and the Galant just placed very highly in JD Power's initial Q survey, the Endeavor gets high marks too.

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Note the word initial. Initial quality.
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Old Jun 30, 2004 | 07:25 AM
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Note the word initial. Initial quality.
Whatever man, it is a good start and a good trend for Mitsubishi. Those lists have long been dominated by Honda and Toyota products.
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Old Jun 30, 2004 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by GPTourer
Whatever man, it is a good start and a good trend for Mitsubishi. Those lists have long been dominated by Honda and Toyota products.
Sure it is a good trend, no doubt. I just hope that it continues, that initial quality is followed by long term reliability. That will keep the value of our cars up, and allow everyone to trade in on a MR and not get raped.
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Old Jun 30, 2004 | 10:02 PM
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You all pretty much convinced me I have 50 miles on my weightless white RS.
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Old Jul 1, 2004 | 08:31 AM
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I Am jealous of you guys having the evo in the us, not canada.But you have to remember that evo comes with turbo, awd in a pretty cheap price tag... Nothing can bet in the fethers you get in the cars, besides an STI... So if you Rev the car 4500-5000rpm and drop the clutch, I thing you will burn your transmissions in no time flat. Try the same resultson a porsche 911 tubro sti, cars with turbo, awd...

Its expensive to maintain the evo, because the car came with mobil 1, then put cheap crap dino oil... See how you cars burn up faster...evo came with expensive brembo brakes not cheap brakes... theyre like 4000.00 brake upgrade...

If you want reliably buy an honda or toyota... They dont offer turbo, awd cars in their lineups because their trnasmission cant take the heat...****
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Old Jul 1, 2004 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by TurboMaestro
You all pretty much convinced me I have 50 miles on my weightless white RS.
Congrats! I’m sure the EVO will blow the doors off your DSM in every way. That’s how I felt when I first got my EVO.
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Old Jul 1, 2004 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by marksae
Congrats! I’m sure the EVO will blow the doors off your DSM in every way. That’s how I felt when I first got my EVO.
Thanks! At 60 miles, it feels more solid than the DSM, for sure. Imagine that, a car that people can fit in the back seat of, or the trunk!
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Old Jul 1, 2004 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by TurboMaestro
Thanks! At 60 miles, it feels more solid than the DSM, for sure. Imagine that, a car that people can fit in the back seat of, or the trunk!
After owning a 1g and a 2g DSM, my first impression of the EVO was also how solid it felt. After I changed my downpipe, exhaust, and exhaust hangers, I started getting minor rattles here and there. The rattles bothered me at first since the car was new, but I got used to them just like how I got used to having a semi-loud exhaust now. This car is built to corner and brake. Have fun breaking your car in and remember that these brakes need to be warmed up in order to bite.
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Old Jul 2, 2004 | 06:34 AM
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Dude the car has been around for over a decade overseas. You think it's just another DSM?

It's a world-class performance car for crying out loud. Just get it already, you won't be disappointed.

Edit: Didn't bother reading the rest of page 2 until now. Ignore my post
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Old Jul 2, 2004 | 07:06 AM
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Hi guys,

I don't know much about DSM's, so it's hard to say how the Evo 8 compares. But I can say this: I have a bunch of friends in Europe with Evo 5/6/7's and they've proven to be bullet-proof over the years.

One of my buddy's is a pro rally racer and he has two Evo 6.5--TME's. One is pushing 400hp. He beats the living tar out of them everyday and they've held up just fine. And this guy lives in Istanbul (Turkey) where Mitsu has no official presence...so he can't even get them serviced properly. Just gets the fluids flushed regularly...that's all. Nevertheless, the cars have held up just fine (even the fancy AYC diffs) for about 5 years or so.

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