conclusion to my problem
Have they assumed responsibility, for the damage???
things aren’t completely clear, have they admitted to under filling the oil?
Or are you just looking for possible reasons why this happened so shortly after an oil change?
if they are blaming the damage on you, and they haven't admitted to doing anything wrong, and this is not a warranty issue, which is how I read your responses, then I would think you are going to get a bill for the short block, which should be a whole engine and turbo if it was starved of oil. If I am missing something help me out.
The suggestion to get a lawyer, would be to fight that bill, and get a whole new engine and turbo as well as attorney fees from the person who was negligent in servicing your car and is responsible for all the damage done.
If they are covering the bill for this, great, but remember the top end and the turbo all share the same oil. If there was any oil available after the damage was done, I would send it out to be analyzed, to see what other damage might be unknown, labs can look at the trace metals and contaminants in the oil and tell you what bearings were worn, and if the oil was overheated, or otherwise damaged.
Also, was it a dealer or not, if it was not a dealer, then they could have used non synthetic oil. A lab can determine this as well.
Good luck, I hope you get to the bottom of this.
things aren’t completely clear, have they admitted to under filling the oil?
Or are you just looking for possible reasons why this happened so shortly after an oil change?
if they are blaming the damage on you, and they haven't admitted to doing anything wrong, and this is not a warranty issue, which is how I read your responses, then I would think you are going to get a bill for the short block, which should be a whole engine and turbo if it was starved of oil. If I am missing something help me out.
The suggestion to get a lawyer, would be to fight that bill, and get a whole new engine and turbo as well as attorney fees from the person who was negligent in servicing your car and is responsible for all the damage done.
If they are covering the bill for this, great, but remember the top end and the turbo all share the same oil. If there was any oil available after the damage was done, I would send it out to be analyzed, to see what other damage might be unknown, labs can look at the trace metals and contaminants in the oil and tell you what bearings were worn, and if the oil was overheated, or otherwise damaged.
Also, was it a dealer or not, if it was not a dealer, then they could have used non synthetic oil. A lab can determine this as well.
Good luck, I hope you get to the bottom of this.
Wow that totally sucks!
Stick to your guns about the story, most garages dont want to get stuck with what was their fault, they'll throw some mumbo jumbo in your face about "our mechancis are certified" or "we dont forget to do anything".
I wouldent get a lawyer since you dont need one, the lawyer is going to cost about 50% of what the total car repair is going to cost.
If it was a dealership, get MMNA involved, give them all the details, let them know what happend and how they treated you about it.
If its a jiffy lube or some sort of chain oil change place take it up with their regional manager and not the store manager!
They have a comprehensive insurance policy that protects them if one of their monkeys does something to the car that messes the car up big time.
Stick to your guns about the story, most garages dont want to get stuck with what was their fault, they'll throw some mumbo jumbo in your face about "our mechancis are certified" or "we dont forget to do anything".
I wouldent get a lawyer since you dont need one, the lawyer is going to cost about 50% of what the total car repair is going to cost.
If it was a dealership, get MMNA involved, give them all the details, let them know what happend and how they treated you about it.
If its a jiffy lube or some sort of chain oil change place take it up with their regional manager and not the store manager!
They have a comprehensive insurance policy that protects them if one of their monkeys does something to the car that messes the car up big time.
Sorry to hear about this. I have never heard of so many complaints about Mitsubishi service compared to all other manufacturers. It seems like blaming the customer is the first option for them. Do they get a kickback for denying warantee work or something?
This is a perfect example of why you never ever ever ever have someone do your oil changes except yourself and double and triple check your drain plug, filter and oil level when you're done.
Too many times in the past I had dealers put either too much or too little oil, forget to change the filter or do it on purpose and charge you, overinflate your tires, over torqque your lugs.
If you can't perform such an easy task as changing your own oil or have someone help you and rotating tires, you should not own a dam car ( this is not aimed at the thread starter at all).
This is a perfect example of why you never ever ever ever have someone do your oil changes except yourself and double and triple check your drain plug, filter and oil level when you're done.
Too many times in the past I had dealers put either too much or too little oil, forget to change the filter or do it on purpose and charge you, overinflate your tires, over torqque your lugs.
If you can't perform such an easy task as changing your own oil or have someone help you and rotating tires, you should not own a dam car ( this is not aimed at the thread starter at all).
Originally Posted by SinCityEvo
If you can't perform such an easy task as changing your own oil or have someone help you and rotating tires, you should not own a dam car ( this is not aimed at the thread starter at all).
AS for Time vs Money, I can pick up my own oil while picking up groceries at Sam's Club. It is quicker for me to change my oil in my garage in 10 mins, than it takes just to drive down to the oil change place.. SO lets see.
Lift car and unscrew oil filler cap 1 minute
Unbolt drain plug 1 minute
Let oil drain - 5 minutes while I read the paper
Unscrew Oil Filter 1 minute
LUbe and Screw on new Oil filter 1 minute
replace drian plug 1 minute
Refill Oil and replace oil filler cap and cleanup 5 minutes
15 minutes done in the garage
Drive to Oil Change place 5 minutes ( if youre lucky! 10 - realisitically ) and in cost of driving & gas..
Wait to be asked what you need and pay 5 minutes
Wait for them to get to your car 10 minutes
Change the oil 15 minutes
Drive home or if on your way ignore this 5 - 10 minutes ...
So you take half an hour and spend $70, or do it in 15 minutes for $25 Oil and Filter.
Add in the benefit of your children watching and learning how to take care of things themselves.. priceless
Lift car and unscrew oil filler cap 1 minute
Unbolt drain plug 1 minute
Let oil drain - 5 minutes while I read the paper
Unscrew Oil Filter 1 minute
LUbe and Screw on new Oil filter 1 minute
replace drian plug 1 minute
Refill Oil and replace oil filler cap and cleanup 5 minutes
15 minutes done in the garage
Drive to Oil Change place 5 minutes ( if youre lucky! 10 - realisitically ) and in cost of driving & gas..
Wait to be asked what you need and pay 5 minutes
Wait for them to get to your car 10 minutes
Change the oil 15 minutes
Drive home or if on your way ignore this 5 - 10 minutes ...
So you take half an hour and spend $70, or do it in 15 minutes for $25 Oil and Filter.
Add in the benefit of your children watching and learning how to take care of things themselves.. priceless
Originally Posted by Mister2zx3
Let oil drain - 5 minutes while I read the paper
Last edited by Coolguy949; Jun 26, 2004 at 09:56 AM.
Yep, let this be a lesson to you. If you want a job done right, you gotta do it yourself. I've had enough bad dealer experiences in my days. I try to avoid taking my car in whenever I can.
But in his situation, I'd definitely take the old short block and tear it down to inspect the damage and find the root cause of failure. If it was indeed oil starvation, all the bearings would be cooked. Hard driving cannot cook bearings!
But in his situation, I'd definitely take the old short block and tear it down to inspect the damage and find the root cause of failure. If it was indeed oil starvation, all the bearings would be cooked. Hard driving cannot cook bearings!
ANother benefit of doing it yourself is spotting any potential problems starting.. cracks in exhuasts, turbos, etc. Doing things yourself is most always a win win win situtation. The more you look at it, the more benefits you find. But there are some things that others are best left to do.. Toilet Cleaning.. Radiactive Material Removal, etc.
y'all this guy can't tell us where the oil light came on or not and didn't check the dipstick before he returned the car. I know oil changes are simple, but do you honestly think he's ready to start doing his own maintenance?
Everyone has to start from somewhere. With the proper guidance, anyone can learn how to do an oil change. If you're a forgetful person, just make sure you have a check list to run down after an oil change.
- tighten drain bolt
- tighten oil filter
- fill up oil
- start engine, let it run for a minute
- check dip stick
- add oil if necessary
- tighten drain bolt
- tighten oil filter
- fill up oil
- start engine, let it run for a minute
- check dip stick
- add oil if necessary
im not 100% sure it was from the oil change but.. i can tell u i did not do it... i brought them that car with 5000 miles in perfectly good shape i get it back with 2 miles on it.. and now my whole f%cking engine is shot, are u kidding me? they are replacing the short block under warranty but there is most likly more damage done
once i get the car im bringing it else and having them inspect everything and seeing whats going on.. the odds are im selling my car and most likly getting an s2k... personally the evo is a great car and performs well but mitsubishi is retarded end of dicussion.. plus i like the s2k a lot and now this is just another reason to get it, thanks for all ur help
once i get the car im bringing it else and having them inspect everything and seeing whats going on.. the odds are im selling my car and most likly getting an s2k... personally the evo is a great car and performs well but mitsubishi is retarded end of dicussion.. plus i like the s2k a lot and now this is just another reason to get it, thanks for all ur help
Time vs. money? Well, I don't know any one person that works 24/7 and can't spare even a half hour to do a task once every 3 months. If that's the case, you should have a limo and a driver, not an Evo.
I can understand if you live in an apartment with no area to work on your car, but paying someone else to do it is a waste of money for something so simple. In most instances, the dealers are no better than a quick lube place. Most new car dealers have quick oil change service separate from the regular service department and guess what, certified techs don't perform the oil change, just regular minimum wage workers right out of high school. So you are not necessarily getting a better service by going to your dealer vs. Jiffy Lube.
I can understand if you live in an apartment with no area to work on your car, but paying someone else to do it is a waste of money for something so simple. In most instances, the dealers are no better than a quick lube place. Most new car dealers have quick oil change service separate from the regular service department and guess what, certified techs don't perform the oil change, just regular minimum wage workers right out of high school. So you are not necessarily getting a better service by going to your dealer vs. Jiffy Lube.
Originally Posted by ColinL
completely wrong! are you still working at quik-lube places? 
regardless of what paperwork you sign, if you give someone your car for a SPECIFIC PURPOSE, in this case changing the oil, and they damage it doing something else **totally unrelated to the specific purpose** they are absolutely positively liable for the damages.
I mean explain to me how a test drive is needed for an oil change? hmm... that's right, it isn't!
likewise, if I bring my car to a bodyshop and they fail to secure it properly and it's stolen I'm filing the claim with their insurance-- not mine.
sometimes this place gives me a headache... scary.

regardless of what paperwork you sign, if you give someone your car for a SPECIFIC PURPOSE, in this case changing the oil, and they damage it doing something else **totally unrelated to the specific purpose** they are absolutely positively liable for the damages.
I mean explain to me how a test drive is needed for an oil change? hmm... that's right, it isn't!

likewise, if I bring my car to a bodyshop and they fail to secure it properly and it's stolen I'm filing the claim with their insurance-- not mine.
sometimes this place gives me a headache... scary.
Things I can say that will scare you for dropping the car off at the dealers. I was a saleman for a week in 1998, haha, got fired from that as well. I have my friends show up as prospects and then we take a new car out to the drag strip on 75&80. I didn't work all week. I just raced Corvettes. Best I did was 14.40 in auto or 6speeds.
Last edited by fearcazic; Jul 1, 2004 at 06:56 AM.


