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Old Oct 21, 2002 | 11:03 PM
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all guys lets vote i wanna see how everyone feels with the upcoming evo how many of us is willing to pay extra 5g for a same version of the JDM spec evo with all the options

or ya'll just want the evo with a cheap 28 to 30 price tag







i'd rather spend more and feel good in a car knowing i have the "real" thing

so incase an imported evo pulled up next to me i wont feel shamed that my evo is only "half"
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Old Oct 22, 2002 | 07:33 AM
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If the JDM Evo VIII has an improved AYC/ACD system, a broader torque band, and a 6 speed tranny, then I think it would be worth it. I doubt the US version will have AYC/ACD, or a 6 speed. The other thing I like about imported cars is it seems easier and more cost effective to get aftermarket parts during that time. The other thing is you local dealer may get at most 4 or 5, while you have a broader selection when importing.

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Old Oct 22, 2002 | 07:36 AM
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>> would be happy to pay $35k for a JDM spec Evolution / Evo VIII with full US warranty.
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Old Oct 22, 2002 | 07:49 AM
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i think 35g's is a bit steep, especially for a car that's supposed to be competing with the WRX which you can get now for mid 20's. I think if sets the price too high they might lose out as those of us that are interested in that type of car might not be bale to make those payments, plus insuring a car like that is not going to be cheap!!

Just my $0.02 however, what does everyone else think, I definetly want one just not a $30K plus EVO
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Old Oct 22, 2002 | 08:04 AM
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It's actually not competing with a WRX, the Sti is it's competitor and they are similarly priced, although we've yet to know for sure for the US market.

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Old Oct 22, 2002 | 08:25 AM
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You know that the Evo8 will most likely have different opts. and as you get more "options" the price will go up. So dont stay too fond of the fact that the Evo will be less then 30k, afterall the WRX will be out there in teh market.
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Old Oct 22, 2002 | 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by RedEvo6
You know that the Evo8 will most likely have different opts. and as you get more "options" the price will go up. So dont stay too fond of the fact that the Evo will be less then 30k, afterall the WRX will be out there in teh market.
talk about options i think it would be wise if mitsubishi kept their base evo as they rumor rvised evo7 tranny wihtout ayc/acd just to eat the wrx for lunch then throw in the jdm spec for a "rally package" just like what nissan is doing to their 350z "touring package"
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Old Oct 22, 2002 | 11:04 PM
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personally, i think it is more than likely we will get multiple package options regardless of what we want (hell look in japan, they have GSR RS RSII GT-A etc).

however, im hoping the top end package does include everything (or reasonably close to jdm spec), and no more than 32k msrp. Any higher is putting it into the luxury pocket rocket range (ie. IS, 3-series, etc).

even then tho, it should (better) be the top spec here. I dont want to RalliArt spec to come out 5 months later and make all of us look like jackasses. Its wrong, and i would seriously lose faith in mitsubishi if they do that....
(and if they are, at the very least annouce it beforehand so those of us that choose to wait for the top spec car have that option)
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Old Oct 22, 2002 | 11:32 PM
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I dont want to RalliArt spec to come out 5 months later and make all of us look like jackasses.
If mitsu did bring out a 'ralliart spec' car, about equivalent to the JDM evo8, it will cost much more than 30k, so no one will look like a jackass. It costs between 40k-50k usd to get new evo7s from dealerships in the uk and imported into australia, philippenes, etc.

I'm glad we'll be paying ~30k for a very comparable car!
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Old Oct 23, 2002 | 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by PToast


If mitsu did bring out a 'ralliart spec' car, about equivalent to the JDM evo8, it will cost much more than 30k, so no one will look like a jackass. It costs between 40k-50k usd to get new evo7s from dealerships in the uk and imported into australia, philippenes, etc.

I'm glad we'll be paying ~30k for a very comparable car!
well for these ppl only care so much for the look a us spec low price evo "rice" should fit ya'll fine, but for these of us that loved evo cuz of it's rally spirit we want what the japanese gets at their homeland =p. less horsepower to met the us emmissioin is a fair play but taking away the ayc/acd for ????????????? plz mitsubishi give us everything
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Old Oct 23, 2002 | 09:38 AM
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If all you guys are afraid of not bringing a full spec car here and you are willing to spend more for one then just buy the VII from E.I.

It makes perfect sense seeing that you wrote "i'd rather spend more and feel good in a car knowing i have the "real" thing
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"so incase an imported evo pulled up next to me i wont feel shamed that my evo is only "half""

In any case it doesn't matter what we think because we'll get whatever sends us and have no say in the decision. I'm sure they've gotten enough feedback and have done enough R&D to know what the general population here is looking for and what they are capable of bringing to us.

If I had a choice though I would say half-*** Evo at less than $30k because as a jobless college student I am already stretching it. I'm sure it won't lack much from JDM spec and I will accept whatever they send over but it would be nice to play with the active diffs and be able to row through 6 gears on the transmission. For an Evo though, I could look past those 2 things. Look at this way: the Evo has never come with a 6 speed before and it's still been a great car right? And also they make a version (RSII) that doesn't even have the active diffs and that car still kicks *** too!

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Old Oct 23, 2002 | 09:47 AM
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Either way the Evo will be the "REAL" thing. Unless you driven the options that we aren't getting, you cant compare it to the real thing. Than again, it still is the real thing.
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Old Oct 23, 2002 | 10:09 AM
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Either way the Evo will be the "REAL" thing. Unless you driven the options that we aren't getting, you cant compare it to the real thing. Than again, it still is the real thing.
this is exactly what I said a while back!
while I am sure ACD & AYC is wonderful, I will probably never get the opportunity to drive an evo with them. I don't know if Mitshbishi's yaw system is different the GMs or BMWs, but I really don't like either of them... makes the driving experience to articfical. I would rather Mitsubishi concentrate on adding features like recaro seats, brembo brakes, HIDs, and tough-as-hell 6-speed tranny. These are options that I think many of us want that we can replace at a later date, but at a high cost. I would rather the car just came from the factoy with these options.

It would be nice to see a version of ACD & AYC in the Evo - for those that want it. but coming from the RX7 world it is very, very frustrating not being able to rely on your dealership for mechanical support. I only bring my car to the shop in an extreme emergancy, but it would be nice knowing that you have some experts to help out when needed. If you drive an RX7 in Minneapolis, the closest partially competent shop is in chicago.... and that sucks.

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Old Oct 23, 2002 | 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by NismoSkylineGTR

talk about options i think it would be wise if mitsubishi kept their base evo as they rumor rvised evo7 tranny wihtout ayc/acd just to eat the wrx for lunch then throw in the jdm spec for a "rally package" just like what nissan is doing to their 350z "touring package"


The 350Z comparison is a good one, I agree with you here. But I'd suggest comparing to the "Track" package instead of the "Touring" package.

The standard 350Z starts out at a measly $26k and is a lot of car for the money (6-speed, 287-hp 3.5L V6, etc). However, it doesn't include a lot of "key" features if you want to make the car really perform: notably the limited-slip differential. There are four "upgrade" packages which only feature add-on items - the touring you mention is more of the "luxury" package - leather, bose audio, etc. The track package is the performance king - for $34k (yes, $8000 more than the "standard") you get HIDs, front/rear spoilers, underbody diffusers, 18" super-lightweight forged wheels with upgraded rubber, a significantly upgraded 4-pot Brembo braking system, VDC, TCS, and the limited slip diff. This is quite a difference and quite an upgrade. Turns the 350Z from a looker with an impressive engine to an overall package ready to compete on several levels with some of the best sports cars out there.

What I'd ideally like to see out of Mitsubishi is this same approach, not necessarily having five separate options like the 350Z (standard, enthusiast, performance, touring, and track), but two options. Ship the standard Evolution as a car for people who want the body and the basic drivetrain - the same amazing engine, the same transmission, etc. Then offer an upgraded "Track" or "Performance" model - something $4k-$5k more, ideally with the ADC / AYC, upgraded brakes, upgraded wheels/tires, etc.

Mitsubishi is bringing this as their flagship performance car to boost their brand image - we all know that. To do so, they can't just have a car that competes with the stock WRX. They've got to have a WRX killer, that competes or beats the WRX STi. Just slapping the ~275hp engine on a 4wd lancer chassis with the cheese-grater rear spoiler, with a 5-speed and pricing it at/under $30k isn't going to be a performance flagship - its going to be a great deal in a sports car (like the "standard" 350Z), but if Mitsu wants to revise their sports car image, in my opinion they need to offer a package similar to the 350Z Track package.

The 350Z track package is what solidifies Nissan's return to the sports coupe (on this side of the ocean anyways) - not just a good drivetrain and a good looking car, but a great looking car with impressive downforce (well, almost complete lack of lift anyways), with impressive handling and stopping power.

We all know the Evolution will be a relative rocket in a straight line with the drivetrain we'll get. So is the standard 350Z. To be a flagship, you need more. You don't edge out a BMW e46 M3 or a Z06 Vette or a Porsche Boxter in a contests like this with only a great drivetrain - you do it with an entire package, a car engineered all over to perform at the highest levels.

My $0.04 (this is too long to be only $0.02)

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Old Oct 23, 2002 | 04:16 PM
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I agree with you wholeheartedly jedinite! I just hope is thinking in a similar fashion.

Having Evos featured in the Fast and the Furious 2 is NOT helping though...
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