wow....y r some of u people bashin so hard?? i know that its not the safest thing to have just a 4 pt(and all the other hazards and anything uve said), but then how come i see plenty of veteran die hard auto-xers and track junkies(ok.. some track junkies) run a simple 4 pt (ex: the 2005-06 scca STU champ, a local guy in my area). most of these guys dont have a roll bar or cage, i mean our cars have pillars for a reason, its not just to hold up the roof. and y have they came out with harness bars? FIA and scca wouldnt approve them for LOW levels of racing if they werent safe to use. anyways, yes its unsafe to use a simple harness for street driving or any high speeds. for 100% safety, one should always use atleast a 5 pt with an approriate seat along with atleast a rollbar.




but back on topic, the red looks good since im guessin u have the leather seats and it gives the interior good contrase. but i dont know.....u should try to find a pic that has blk 1s too before u make up ur mind

 

Just because people do it doesn't mean they are right. There are (were) a lot of experienced researchers who pull (pulled) crap that even undergrads know are wrong, ie. eating in the lab, not wearing lab coats or protective gear, etc.. Often it is those that know the most that take shortcuts because they think they're invincible. The stock roof and stock pillars are meant to work with the stock seats and the stock safety equipment, if you change these things you must compensate for it. An equivalent argument is saying that an evo with a huge turbo should be warrantied since the car was designed to work with a turbo stock. The automotive industry is a business, they will make anything they think they can make money off of.

 

well i didnt say it was completely safe either, its just that proper prodcedures should be taken at appropriate levels. just because u autoX doesnt mean that u need a full 10pt cage, 6pt harness, and han device to keep u safe. and u guys talk about the submarine affect like it wont happen with stock seat belts. i understand what u guys r sayin, u can never be too safe, but dont be ridiculous.

and....

now i think thats a little bold there. so ur sayin the FIA is just in it for the money? and no knowloge or development of safety auto equipment is actually with in that association? thats also sayin that the FDA, and FAA r all in it for the money and has no interest in the health and well being of the public?

 

FIA is an administration focused on safety, same with the FDA and the FAA. They do not manufacture anything thus they are not really a business, they serve purely to regulate the industry and provide consumers with some sort of impartial reference. Aftermarket companies on the other hand want to make money, that is their primary goal. Saying they care about safety is like saying McDonald's cares about people's health.

 

not mine, but this evo 9 is for sale on autotrader...

 

Are those harnesses attached to the floor?

 

qft


I love how he seems to KNOW that he will never roll his car... Like everyone else knew that would?

 

If I may play devils Advocate...what then keeps you from submarining, or getting your head crushed with the stock 3pt belt? Don't flame me, just wanting to throw a ? out there for people to learn.

 

The stock 3 point seat belt allows you to move in the case of the roof collapsing, it doesn't hold the seat in a rigid and upright position. As for submarining, I would assume that since the 3 point seat doesn't actually push on your shoulders and due to the location and orientation of the lap belt, submarining doesn't occur. Remember the stock system has to pass strict safety testing, thus these problems have been addressed. An aftermarket system on the other hand is usually a matter of learning from other people's mistakes.

 

4 Wheel Slide, you have a nice house.

 

WTF??????????????????????

 

well with a harness that has the proper mountin, its not suppose to push on ur shoulders either. and what says that u cant mount the lap belt of a harness the same way as the oem 3pt? yes in a rollover, with a harness but no cage would be more dangerous then havin a stock seat belt. but do u know how many times a car (newer, family or a sports car like the evos) has to flip for that roof to collaps down pass the point where ur head would be in danger? cause like i said light racing (ie: autox) doesnt have nearly enough speed to flip enough times for ur car to flatten out, thats if u even get it upside down.





so...............

 

It only takes one bad accident to be dead. Would you be willing to risk it? What happens if something goes wrong? Running harnesses without the appropriate precautions is just wreckless and stupid.
How would you mount a 4-point or 5-point harness like the stock system? They have 1(2) more mounting points, so that would be impossible. You're changing the entire dynamics of the safety system which in turn changes the way it works.
My statement that you quoted basically means that the stock safety has all the kinks worked out by the manufacturer. Putting in an aftermarket system requires people to do the research themselves and learn from people who race and design cars for a living. In this case, they advise not to use harnesses without rollover protection. In many cases this is from experience and people dying from improper systems.

 

I have some schroth 4 points I may be willing to part with. PM me for pics.

 

Every thread like this on every car forum I have ever been to goes exactly the same it's awesome.

I wanna run a harness, woot!
You are going to kill yourself...
WHAT? nooo!
Yeah I know you are going to kill yourself...
Noooo..what if I only wear when I'm not driving
Nope you will kill yourself even then..oh and buy a rollbar..and wear a helmet
But I see tons of people wearing them at auto-x, track, on the street..
Nope they are all dead...I already done told you..


I wore one at auto-x and I don't feel guilty, and the cars feel is great with it, but I plan on killing myself one day wearing it though, so I take that risk.

At least you know the risks beforehand. Remember we are all trying to save your life, and don't let any of us catch you wearing it on the street we'll cut it off with our spyderco.