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Old Apr 9, 2006 | 08:25 PM
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i stayed away from hawk all together just so i wouldn't have any trouble with them i hear its just the hps + but i opted for project mu ns street pads and they work great
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 02:47 PM
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They did all the proper things to install the pads. They used the ani sieze and all that stuff. When I took my car back to them he said he could hear me coming from a mile away thats how loud they are. He again looked through everything to make sure things were in check and he came to the conclusion that the rotors needed to be resurfaced. He doesn't have the proper equipment to do it in shop so I made an appointment with the dealer for them to resurface the rotors and make sure everthing is spot on. If anyone has any other insight on this please feel free to mention it, I don't want to resurface the rotors and find out later that I didn't need to. In any case I have 15,000 miles on my IX so I guess I might as well have the rotors resurfaced.
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperHatch
Hello people!!! He said he has HPS pads, not HP+, stop hijacking/confusing this thread, k?
correct...HPS and HP+ are VERY different...
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 02:55 PM
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Seriously dont resurface the rotors. All it does is shorten the life of them. Be sure to bed them in properly. There are many methods most commonly the best one is to heat up your rotors with a few 45-5mph brakes, then go into a series of 60-5 extremely hard brakes, but not using the ABS. You should do about 8-9 of these and be sure you never come to a complete stop unless it is uterly necessary. After your last 60-5 drive for about 10-15min with out using the brakes. This will heat cycle and bed in your pads properly. They will never squeek if you do this properly. But please dont resurface your rotors, espcially at 15k. Not necessary.
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by rugarip
Seriously dont resurface the rotors. All it does is shorten the life of them. Be sure to bed them in properly. There are many methods most commonly the best one is to heat up your rotors with a few 45-5mph brakes, then go into a series of 60-5 extremely hard brakes, but not using the ABS. You should do about 8-9 of these and be sure you never come to a complete stop unless it is uterly necessary. After your last 60-5 drive for about 10-15min with out using the brakes. This will heat cycle and bed in your pads properly. They will never squeek if you do this properly. But please dont resurface your rotors, espcially at 15k. Not necessary.
Thanks for your input bro!
See the thing is when I first had the pads installed the guy told me to break them in, he told me to go 60+mph and pretty much slam on the brakes untill I'm almost at a stop. He said to do that 5-10 times and it should be broken in. I did it properly, so I think, but the next day it made the most aweful screeching noise. Well when I take it to the dealer this week they will check to see if it was installed the proper way and maybe then I'll know for sure if it needs resurfacing or not.

I forgot to mention that when I changed the pads on my sti they resurfaced the rotors after installing the pads and it ran fine for 20k+ miles. So I figured I should do the same for my IX. Keep the suggestions and info coming guys!
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 09:38 AM
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I had a bad experience with HAWK pads. I don't know what kind they were, but they screamed bloody murder. I thought they were dead and needed to be replaced, so I went with Endless Sport S (which are awesome). When I took off the HAWK pads, they only were about 2 mm worn. One of them that was screaming so loud actually had a chunk of material missing and part of it was pretruding out and cutting a groove into my 13" stainless steel rotors. I had my rotors resurfaced and I put in the Endless pads, now not a peep. They stop on a dime and have less brake dust than the HAWK.
Hope this helps
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by GgreyEVOIX
Thanks for your input bro!
See the thing is when I first had the pads installed the guy told me to break them in, he told me to go 60+mph and pretty much slam on the brakes untill I'm almost at a stop. He said to do that 5-10 times and it should be broken in. I did it properly, so I think, but the next day it made the most aweful screeching noise. Well when I take it to the dealer this week they will check to see if it was installed the proper way and maybe then I'll know for sure if it needs resurfacing or not.

I forgot to mention that when I changed the pads on my sti they resurfaced the rotors after installing the pads and it ran fine for 20k+ miles. So I figured I should do the same for my IX. Keep the suggestions and info coming guys!
FYI, that is not the correct bed in technique for the HPS pads. I don't remember exactly what it is, but I do know that that ISN'T it. It's written right on the cover of the box the pads come in, if someone here has a box laying around they can read it off....
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 10:41 AM
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after reading all this, it's still not mentioned that the guy who did your brakes kept the OEM shims. If you're missing those shims, you're going to screech regardless.

I have HPS and I used oem shims and anti-seized the crap out of it during the install.

I suggest going back to having him take the pads out, re-anti-seize and have him prove to you, the oem shims are still on there and are also anti-seized.

good luck, it's not your rotors.
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 10:45 AM
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I had hawks on the wrx and never got any noise.
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 10:56 AM
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There are many ways to properly bed in your pads. I just went to Hawk's website and this is exactly what they said:

Burnishing Instructions

After installing new brake pads, make 6 to 10 stops from approximately 30-35 mph applying moderate pressure.
Make an additional 2 to 3 hard stops from approximately 40 to 45 mph.
DO NOT DRAG BRAKES!
Allow 15 minutes for brake system to cool down.
After step 4 your new pads are ready for use.



In comparison to the instructions that I had origionally posted they are a bit different but the concept remains the same: To heat cycle your brakes and bed in the pads.
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 11:02 AM
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Hawk HPS pads will make noise when they get hot. Thats what race break pads do.
The HPS aren't as loud as the HPS+, but both make noise on most applications. They are top notch pads and even the stock Brembo pads make some noise when they are hot as well. Follow the bedding procedure as stated on your box.
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by rugarip
There are many ways to properly bed in your pads. I just went to Hawk's website and this is exactly what they said:

Burnishing Instructions

After installing new brake pads, make 6 to 10 stops from approximately 30-35 mph applying moderate pressure.
Make an additional 2 to 3 hard stops from approximately 40 to 45 mph.
DO NOT DRAG BRAKES!
Allow 15 minutes for brake system to cool down.
After step 4 your new pads are ready for use.



In comparison to the instructions that I had origionally posted they are a bit different but the concept remains the same: To heat cycle your brakes and bed in the pads.
Agreed, but compared to what GgreyEVOIX said he did, there is a big difference.
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 05:28 PM
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Well guys I had the rotors resurfaced about a hour ago and the noise is completely gone now. It brakes very well and everything seems to be on point now. To answer some of you: yes they did reuse the factory shims when they installed the pads.
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 07:32 PM
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smart move, glad it worked out
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 07:47 PM
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I cant believe you didnt resurface the rotors to begin with .....I've never had brake problems (squeeling noises) after resurfacing the rotors and properly bedding in the pads....Glad you finally got it all figured out!
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