It will depend on use, although the major limiting factor is the shock oil. At the very least, with frequent use under racing conditions, you'd probably see a noticeable differences in handling after about 3 years (assuming your season is something like 10 months, thats what we base our estimates on).

This is all on paper however, because we do not have the equipment to simulate long-term testing within a short amount of time. In practice, we still have the second set of Selects ever produced on use on a turbo DC2 that does SCCA events, BMWCCA, and other local DE's, going on 3 years now that have not yet reached the point where they require a rebuild. We would consider his use "regular".

 

I noticed on the website that PIC specs their springs with a higher rate in the front than the rear (which with a heavy engine in the front makes sense). But some of the other Evo specific setups (Robispec, Muellerized) like to run a softer front spring. Interesting...and confusing at the same time.

Also, how is the ride quality with this setup? One of the nice things about the Murllerized setup is it's relatively comfortable ride in normal driving conditions (similar to stock), yet can still tear it up with the best of them on track.

I'm currently running GAB/KYB coilovers with 10K frt/rear springs which work well (if a little twitchy) on track but are back breakers in normal driving conditions. I wouldn't mind swapping these out for something else like the PICs but I don't want to run into the same problem. Any thoughts?

 

Not sure about the spring rates you are seeing, but I am running a stiffer spring in the rear versus the front. My personal experience is that the PIC's ride much better than Muellerized JIC's on the street. They are also faster around the track, again based on my personal experience.

 

Here is a link to the question of front and rear spring rates.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=204297

 

The spring rates depends on your level of experience. If you look at most suspension company out there. They tend to sell a suspension with a higher rate spring in front for the street use. This is to make the car understeer.

You can select your own spring rates if you want. But I know most of the PIC equiped racecars run with a higher rate spring in the rear.

The suspension is one thing. PIC is really supportive when it comes to there product. They race there suspension and have proven it with wins and track records.

I ran a set of PIC in my 99 Honda Civic Si and drives it everyday. It rides nice on the street and with a little turn of the knob for adjustment they are great for the track. I swear by it.

Clift

 

ITs common to see stiffer springs in the rear on front wheel and awd cars.. usually to let the car rotate better..

 

I got these numbers from PICS website, under the suspension 'levels' option box. All 4 of the options listed have the front spring much heavier than the rear, which I thought was a little strange.

Maybe I should go your route and order a set through Pure performance and have them hook me up with a custom setup. Thanks for answering my question on ride quality. It's what I was hoping to hear.

 

Like Clift said, most companies 'off the shelf' units are set up much like cars are from the factory - with a tendency for understeer. For those of us that need something more than 'off the shelf' the custom tuners are the answer. PIC has done a great job, and I doubt the 'other guys' work as closely together with the manufacturer as do Pure and PIC.

Give Aaron a call at Pure, you won't be disappointed.

 

2.5 sec. Good job Greg! I'm afraid to ask where that puts you. I'm guessing in the mid-high 1:1x.

How much front camber are you using with the RA1s? Toyo seems to recommend a minimum of -3 > -4, but so far it seems -3 is the max needed with these tires and my ride height.

Oh yeah, watch that inside wear on the front passenger tire at putnam. It really goes fast on the evo, especially without a front lsd.

 

Not quite into the teens yet Chris! I had a myriad of little issues that started saturday afternoon that kept the car from reaching it's full potential. The car will definately run in the teens once I get everything straightened out. It was a long hard summer - the poor car is tired! Next year the goal for Putnam is low 1:18's, and sub 1:40's at Mid Ohio.

I was running well over -3 in the front and over -2 in the rear. Tire wear was excellent - the right front didn't have a chance to wear more than the rest since I was hanging out at the very limits of the slip angle every session. At one point I was looking out the drivers window - between turns 9 and 10.

 

This past weekend I was able to take a ride in Greg's car. I must say I was very impressed with these coilovers on the street. He took me on some road that was very twisty, rises and declines in elevation on his street tires. Man, even on his race settings the street ride was amazing! Granted you had the "bobble head" as I call it but the ride was not harsh as I imagined it to be.

Once we put it on full soft I was hooked! The ride was much better than my Swift springs. The car was very neutral, rotated very easily. The car darted around turns and very rarely did we we hear the tires squeel. The suspension really does the work.

His setup, as it is great, I feel I do not need the full track setup. I'll be leaning towards the Selects with the R2 spring rates. However, for those looking for an excellent track setup that is VERY adequate for daily driving I'd say put up the coin!!! These are worth every penny.

 

Thats nice to hear because these are what are most likely going to be going on my car in a few weeks. I cant wait!

 

Don't forget to catch the November Issue of Sport Compact Car magazine to see the #133 Silver Pure/PIC TSO EVO.

O6 Evo Shootout article.

 

Get ready for the 07 SHOOT OUT! The earlier you get your Pure/PIC TSO Coilovers the earlier you can sort your car out for next year! factory support!

We came .2 seconds off the winning time. Our first time out with these coilovers. Improvements are being made daily. Surprise everyone on your first event in Spring.

Contact. Keith or Aaron at www.pure-tuning.com or Al or Jim at www.picperformance.com or Clift at www.tracksourcellc.com for information.

TSO set up can only be ordered from Pure Tuning.

 

I'll be ready!