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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 02:12 PM
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stock brake upgrade idea???

just curious if this has been covered or tried?

when upgrading to a big brake kit most people are going for the rotor size
eg:335mm and so on.

now the calipers our what i would assume our the most expensive part of the "big brake kit" (i would think)
what if you were able to come up with an adapter and rotor combo that would place the calipers out further leaving room for rotor and top it off with the stock caliper

obviously there would be more needed like lines,pads and hardware but it would be way cheaper considering that the factory evo calipers are not bad (aside from finishing problems ehem ehem clear coat)

well tell me what you think and if anyone has done this before
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 02:48 PM
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c'mon people, this has gotta stir up some intrest or objection
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 02:51 PM
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I think the question would be why? If you want to just upgrade rotors, put some 2pc floaters on and call it a day. Thats basically the same thing, with no need to fabricate brackets and such. See the purpose behind a bbk and larger rotor, is more available surface area for the new larger (more/bigger piston) caliper to compress. If your using stock caliper, you made the rotor larger but kept the "braking surface area" the same. I dont see the point. Thats just me though.
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 02:58 PM
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if you look at the surface of most rotors they are about the same (not exact)
its the hat that gets larger not the whole rotor

larger folcrum : eg. using a breaker bar instead of a 1/4 in. ratchet ya dig

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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 05:51 PM
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bump for some thoughts good or bad!!!!
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 20psiMR
I think the question would be why? If you want to just upgrade rotors, put some 2pc floaters on and call it a day. Thats basically the same thing, with no need to fabricate brackets and such. See the purpose behind a bbk and larger rotor, is more available surface area for the new larger (more/bigger piston) caliper to compress. If your using stock caliper, you made the rotor larger but kept the "braking surface area" the same. I dont see the point. Thats just me though.
You just killed his idea.
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 06:08 PM
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You just killed his idea.
nah, doesnt really kill my idea

his reasons make sense but is missing an important part of big brake kit theory
it's not all about clamping force, we got clamping force

if im not mistaking there was a similar set up (stock calipers) for dsm's
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 02:08 PM
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 02:17 PM
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almost 100 viems and nothing to say!!!!!!
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 02:26 PM
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Braking surface is a big advantage, but you also have to think about heat. The idea proposed would give the rotor more surface area to disperse heat and longer veins for cooling. This should reduce fade. This idea wouldn't be as wonderful as a full upgrade, but it would be cheaper and still effective.
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 02:27 PM
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I requested the same the thing a while back. I know that RRE sold a caliper extender/adapter for larger rotors on their DSM's. Because of that, I was looking for the same thing. FYI...before I became a PO PO, i was a brake and front end tech for 12 years. I FIRMLY agree with the "same braking surface area" premise completely...HOWEVER, one slight advantage to a larger rotor (even with the stock calipers), is the ability to obtaining higher braking temps (before fade), and the ability to disperse heat faster (via, more drill holes, and/or more angled veins, and more metal content). Just my $.02...
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TouringBubble
Braking surface is a big advantage, but you also have to think about heat. The idea proposed would give the rotor more surface area to disperse heat and longer veins for cooling. This should reduce fade. This idea wouldn't be as wonderful as a full upgrade, but it would be cheaper and still effective.
thanks for the post and thoughts!

i would love to know the differences between say a stoptech four piston and our brembo four piston and how they measure up against each other???
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by fricci4993
I requested the same the thing a while back. I know that RRE sold a caliper extender/adapter for larger rotors on their DSM's. Because of that, I was looking for the same thing. FYI...before I became a PO PO, i was a brake and front end tech for 12 years. I FIRMLY agree with the "same braking surface area" premise completely...HOWEVER, one slight advantage to a larger rotor (even with the stock calipers), is the ability to obtaining higher braking temps (before fade), and the ability to disperse heat faster (via, more drill holes, and/or more angled veins, and more metal content). Just my $.02...
thats what made me think of it (dsm's)

there are alot other aftermarket set ups like that with way more inferior calipers!
i dont see why it wouldnt be a good alternitive to a $3500 per axle brake set-up!!!

not a solution
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 02:37 PM
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To be honest with you...if I can get access to a plasma cutter, some 3/4" - 1" thick plate steel, and some larger rotors...I would take a crack at it? I unfortunatley don't have a garage anymore......my ex got it....(BUT,I got my son and the EVO....!!!! )...
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by fricci4993
To be honest with you...if I can get access to a plasma cutter, some 3/4" - 1" thick plate steel, and some larger rotors...I would take a crack at it? I unfortunatley don't have a garage anymore......my ex got it....(BUT,I got my son and the EVO....!!!! )...
i have access but noooo time, im a tech and and have a very very modern shop!

i know it can be done but the question is how effective it would be??? i have yet to track my car so need no use for a larger diam. rotor and even if i did track it still prob. wouldnt need it. it just kills me how much some of these "big brake kits" cost!

imho i dont think there engineered i think that there basicaly my idea: known good caliper design, larger rotor, adapter and a disclaimer to run larger wheels

p.s. a car seat in an evo is never a bad thing the shop can be rebuilt!
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