need your input on coilovers!
Jul 30, 2010, 08:29 PM
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I have the bc racing br type. It's a very nice coilover for DD and weekend track use. I would highly recommend these to anyone looking for a good set of coilovers under 1000.
Jul 30, 2010, 09:18 PM
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Because you're going to get mediocre ones at best since no one who dailys their Evo wants to spend the money for track quality coilovers that perform well, and why should they (consensus is just about $2k is where you reach this level of shock). You want the drop and to say you have coilovers on a DD. Don't give me any "I do canyon runs and spirited drives" nonsense. The Evo is not in need of coilovers on your daily commute. Solo II Evo and I track together regularly. Save your money. Do it once, do it right. You get what you pay for. Choose your cliche and then get some Swift springs.
Jul 31, 2010, 02:17 AM
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Because you're going to get mediocre ones at best since no one who dailys their Evo wants to spend the money for track quality coilovers that perform well, and why should they (consensus is just about $2k is where you reach this level of shock). You want the drop and to say you have coilovers on a DD. Don't give me any "I do canyon runs and spirited drives" nonsense. The Evo is not in need of coilovers on your daily commute. Solo II Evo and I track together regularly. Save your money. Do it once, do it right. You get what you pay for. Choose your cliche and then get some Swift springs.
Jul 31, 2010, 03:17 AM
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Yea pretty much what delongedoug said...
It's not the problem that you want coilovers, the problem is which ones you want. The fact is that people have a problem believeing the following:
for the 1000$ you are going to spend for BC RACING or Megan TRACK(lol) coilovers you can buy:
a set of used bilsteins
a set of springs
front and rear swaybar
And believe me that the cheap coilovers are going to get destroyed on the track by bilsteins.
Plus two more additional facts:
Cheap coilovers don't last, none of them.
The fact that you have coilovers that you bought for 1000$ means you probably have no idea how to set up a car properly for the track and you don't have the budget to spend on alignments and figuring out how your car handles with different settings.
If you want to slam your car to the ground and say you got coilovers, megan, bc racing, d2 racing, k-sport or any other ebay company will suffice... Fine... Just fine...
It's not the problem that you want coilovers, the problem is which ones you want. The fact is that people have a problem believeing the following:
for the 1000$ you are going to spend for BC RACING or Megan TRACK(lol) coilovers you can buy:
a set of used bilsteins
a set of springs
front and rear swaybar
And believe me that the cheap coilovers are going to get destroyed on the track by bilsteins.
Plus two more additional facts:
Cheap coilovers don't last, none of them.
The fact that you have coilovers that you bought for 1000$ means you probably have no idea how to set up a car properly for the track and you don't have the budget to spend on alignments and figuring out how your car handles with different settings.
If you want to slam your car to the ground and say you got coilovers, megan, bc racing, d2 racing, k-sport or any other ebay company will suffice... Fine... Just fine...
Jul 31, 2010, 10:33 AM
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The whole notion that you shouldn't use coilovers on a strictly DD vehicle is odd advice. Those folks that race 10% of the time and do purchase coilovers still spend 90% of the time using the car as a DD.
Also, if you search posts on the stock struts you will find even they don't last as I myself experienced.
Jul 31, 2010, 10:51 AM
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Because if you buy Coilovers you won't purchase the Bilstein/GT Worx combo. If you want that setup I would purchase one of the few used sets in the classified section.
The whole notion that you shouldn't use coilovers on a strictly DD vehicle is odd advice. Those folks that race 10% of the time and do purchase coilovers still spend 90% of the time using the car as a DD.
Also, if you search posts on the stock struts you will find even they don't last as I myself experienced.
The whole notion that you shouldn't use coilovers on a strictly DD vehicle is odd advice. Those folks that race 10% of the time and do purchase coilovers still spend 90% of the time using the car as a DD.
Also, if you search posts on the stock struts you will find even they don't last as I myself experienced.
Jul 31, 2010, 11:37 AM
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Also, if you search posts on the stock struts you will find even they don't last as I myself experienced.
Jul 31, 2010, 12:32 PM
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The idea is that folks who buy badly made, cheaply constructed Asian coilovers with mismatched spring rates, non-linear adjustments, and dubiously selected struts (like Megans for example) would be better served by a quality spring/strut combo, if performance is the goal. Not to mention the setup constraints.
If anyone wants a quality spring/strut combo such as the Swift/Bilstein combo there are 3 sets for sale on the first page of the classifieds.
Jul 31, 2010, 12:39 PM
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Edit: What about my questions re: stock struts? You didn't answer.
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Jul 31, 2010, 02:36 PM
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Perhaps the spring rates are not optimized, but you are saying they are badly made, cheaply constructed Asian coilovers. If the real issue you see is spring rates then say so without all of the unnecessary drama and bashing of the Megan setup. I would concede the rates are not optimized.
It is good that you pointed out I don't know very much on this subject because by doing so you just decreased your lap times by two seconds. This has occurred because criticizing me and bashing Megan makes you even more of an expert.
Most of us have a DD and aren't seeking a time attack car so a sub optimized setup is just fine and will still easily outperform stock or stock with springs.
To the OP, I don't think you would be disappointed with BC or Megan Street setups.
Jul 31, 2010, 02:51 PM
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Which stock struts, the KYBs? Why didn't you use better springs? Wait, you don't know which struts you had, do you?
Not just Megan; it was an example. Give your coilovers a year or two and see how they perform, or you can search here for numerous examples. Hell, I'm willing to bet the adjustment on each strut doesn't correlate positively with its mate. This said, if you'd searched, you likely wouldn't have bought them in the first place.
Then, why did you buy them and why are recommending them to others?
Taking juvenile shots at me won't change anything.
How do you know? The only springs you had were hardly optimized for the setup.
What makes you think that everyone is satisfied with badly designed, unreliable parts?
Perhaps the spring rates are not optimized, but you are saying they are badly made, cheaply constructed Asian coilovers. If the real issue you see is spring rates then say so without all of the unnecessary drama and bashing of the Megan setup.
I would concede the rates are not optimized.
It is good that you pointed out I don't know very much on this subject because by doing so you just decreased your lap times by two seconds. This has occurred because criticizing me and bashing Megan makes you even more of an expert.
Most of us have a DD and aren't seeking a time attack car so a sub optimized setup is just fine and will still easily outperform stock or stock with springs.
To the OP, I don't think you would be disappointed with BC or Megan Street setups.
Jul 31, 2010, 03:19 PM
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Your proposed argument is circular, thus pointless.
I would bet that all race teams tweak suspension every year if not every race. I bet you have changed your setup before and will change it again for something you perceive is better. Therefore, the setup is never optimized and could never be recommended. Using your logic you are no longer allowed to recommend suspension setups because everything you have chosen is not the best.
The reality is that setups will be matched by factors that are not determined by the car itself such as driving style and driving abilities. Thus any decision regarding what is the best setup will be partially based on subjectivity or partially based on what a particular driver can achieve because of their driving abilities.
For $1100, as the OP has stated are his limits, does he get the best setup? NO, but he can get something that is better than stock and if it lasts 2-3 years or 30-40K miles then great. I have heard guys that rebuild struts on a regular basis because they are wear items and if you drive hard they will wear. Hell, if you drive hard you will spend $1200/year on tires alone.
Anyway, once again I will say people are smart enough to make up their own minds.
For the record I don't think the Megan Street setup is the best, but it is working for me so far.
I would bet that all race teams tweak suspension every year if not every race. I bet you have changed your setup before and will change it again for something you perceive is better. Therefore, the setup is never optimized and could never be recommended. Using your logic you are no longer allowed to recommend suspension setups because everything you have chosen is not the best.
The reality is that setups will be matched by factors that are not determined by the car itself such as driving style and driving abilities. Thus any decision regarding what is the best setup will be partially based on subjectivity or partially based on what a particular driver can achieve because of their driving abilities.
For $1100, as the OP has stated are his limits, does he get the best setup? NO, but he can get something that is better than stock and if it lasts 2-3 years or 30-40K miles then great. I have heard guys that rebuild struts on a regular basis because they are wear items and if you drive hard they will wear. Hell, if you drive hard you will spend $1200/year on tires alone.
Anyway, once again I will say people are smart enough to make up their own minds.
For the record I don't think the Megan Street setup is the best, but it is working for me so far.
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