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Old Sep 17, 2013 | 01:22 PM
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Magic pads screaming with light braking

I've seen a few threads with people who have had a similar problem to me, and I've yet to come across a resolution; but, maybe someone can lend me some advice. I recently picked up a full set of Magic Pads and Bailout rotors to put on, and the fronts were horrible. Came to find out my shop didn't apply any sort of grease or Brake Quiet to the back of the pad. Since I had everything out, I applied Brake Quiet to the back of the shim, as well as the spots on the retainer where the pins touch. Added some anti-seize to the holes on the pads too just in case the pads were sticking. The noise got a lot better, but it's still there when my wheel is turned or stopping while in reverse. It's only when I apply light pressure though.

I've contacted Girodisc, and they gave me the usual advice of the bed in procedure, applying high-temp grease, taking sand paper to the rotor face, etc. I tried it all, and nothing has worked. Does anybody else have any suggestions? My next move is either to take the fronts back off and *** some of the Brake Quiet paste, or put on the shims that were on my old DS2500. I'd rather not go that way since they're covered in brake dust, but those pads NEVER made a sound. I believe the previous owner used the goo on them though.

So...any ideas?
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Old Sep 17, 2013 | 01:29 PM
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did you grease both sides of the shims? or just the side that touches the pad?
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Old Sep 17, 2013 | 05:26 PM
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Just the side that touches the pistons. Should I add some between the pad and the shim? I wasn't sure since the rear Magic Pads have the shim attached with some sort of adhesive.
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Old Sep 17, 2013 | 05:52 PM
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I've always done the opposite; I've only put anti-seize between the pad and shim, never between shim and pistons. Maybe I should try that...
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Old Sep 17, 2013 | 07:39 PM
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I've been running magic pads for about 50K - by the way, they show little wear. I installed them using the factory shim over the shim glued to the pad. I used a little bearing grease on the back of the factory shim where it contacts the piston. The only noise I have ever heard is the click I get from the rear pads when reversing direction. The pad is a little too short back there.

Don't take this as a review because, as the people in Colorado would say, a lot of water has passed where the bridge used to be. The maker may have changed the formulation.
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Old Sep 17, 2013 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Raptord
I've always done the opposite; I've only put anti-seize between the pad and shim, never between shim and pistons. Maybe I should try that...
And it seems like I'll be trying your method, haha.

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I've been running magic pads for about 50K - by the way, they show little wear. I installed them using the factory shim over the shim glued to the pad. I used a little bearing grease on the back of the factory shim where it contacts the piston. The only noise I have ever heard is the click I get from the rear pads when reversing direction. The pad is a little too short back there.

Don't take this as a review because, as the people in Colorado would say, a lot of water has passed where the bridge used to be. The maker may have changed the formulation.
Here's the problem. I have no idea if mine are the factory shims or not. The DS2500s came with it, so whatever shim is on there is what I have. I'll grab a picture and throw it up. I want to clean the goo off, but if I can just swap them on to make it all quiet, I kind of don't want to take it off just yet.

So, you put both the front and rears over the Girodisc shims? Because I can deal with the noise the rears make, but the fronts sound horrendous... -_-
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Old Sep 17, 2013 | 08:20 PM
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And it seems like I'll be trying your method, haha.

So, you put both the front and rears over the Girodisc shims? Because I can deal with the noise the rears make, but the fronts sound horrendous... -_-
That's what I did.

The woe of fixed caliper brakes is that they scream if everything isn't to their liking. And what they don't like is never clear. But a lot people have reported that reusing the factory shim does help.
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Old Sep 17, 2013 | 08:33 PM
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Well I went to grab the shims off of my old pads to see if they were OEM, and I found something interesting (not in the good way either). Took a Q-tip to the shim, and found out that the logo on the back said Girodisc, and not Ferodo. So I can't tell if that means I got ripped off, or they just used Magic Pad shims instead of the Ferodo ones. Well, whatever. One thing I did notice is that the person before me put Break Quiet spray (it was red) against the pad, laid the shim on top of it, then added more on top (seems like the goo on top though).

So now that OEM shims are out of the question...any thoughts?
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Old Sep 18, 2013 | 02:16 AM
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They are probably the girodisc oem equivalent shims. They market them as the same as the oem mind as well try um and see if it helps. I'm sure the true oem shims cost an arm and a leg I just got a quote for oem front pads because I have the same bad squeel and they wanted 350 for the front pads.
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Old Sep 18, 2013 | 04:24 AM
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I doubt they'll fit over the other shims though. These were super snug around the pad as it was. Or do I need to modify it somehow to fit? Sorry for the seemingly dumb questions, I'm just new to all this.
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Old Sep 18, 2013 | 08:33 AM
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i have been having this issue since i upgraded to Brembos on my Eclipse, i am using Hawk HPS pads. i get the horrid scream on light braking, and when turning. have yet to find a solution.
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Old Sep 18, 2013 | 08:51 AM
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What have you tried thus far?
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Old Sep 18, 2013 | 10:06 AM
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i have been through ALL of this gents.

I finally replaced the pins and the clip that hold the pads in. squeak was gone!
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/par...ier=86777_0_0_
you need that.
the fronts should be on the site somewhere also.

good luck
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Old Sep 18, 2013 | 11:19 AM
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If the oem fit the girodisc should too. http://www.maperformance.com/girodis...8-ps1-008.html this is what I'm talking about as far as oem equivalent. If not lancershop has the oem ones for about 55 and some may benefit from new pins and springs. Pretty much any form of vibration will cause the squeezing and the fact that yours only does it under light braking would mean that your brakes are not glazed.
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Old Sep 19, 2013 | 07:58 AM
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The shims on my old pads don't match those. They say Magic Pads on the back, just like my new ones. They just fit so snugly to the pad that I'm not sure how I would run both. Regardless, I'm going to pop them off this weekend and add some Brake Quiet between the pad and the shim like the old pads had. After that, I guess I can try new pins/retainers.
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