Best Track Coilovers??
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Originally Posted by EVO8speed
Who makes the best, that can easly be rebuild here in the US? I like Proflex EVO3 set up but does Moton have one for the EVO yet, which model is the track only set up that Ohlins make? which are the most common ones used in track events?
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Originally Posted by Rhett
The suspension I'd like to get is the Ohlins Road & Track setup with some stiffer springs for the track (I think the springs they come with are not too much stiffer than stock). I drove an Evo with the Road & Track setup and the dampening on those shocks was unreal, WAY more planted and comfortable than stock. Only thing is, I don't think they have adjustable camber plates, so that might be an added cost...
For the truly nutso track guys we can also custom valve them
for an additional charge.
Originally Posted by FT@SELGP
Moton's are truly amazing units, and almost the entire system is custom built including the sleeves to make it fit to most cars. However, it is very expensive; starting around $5K and going towards $16K. If you are not competing on the track, you probably do not need it; but they are worth their price 
JIC are certainly good units, we have been using our own custom units on our competition car, have been happy with them. We built several units for our Evo customers, and they have been very successful in local competition. For the price of them, they represent great value; generally we have been able to provide a custom JIC unit under $2K.
We are also in Maryland, and we provide discounts on installation and corner balancing if the coilover is purchased from us.
If you are interested, do not hesitate to give us a call
JIC are certainly good units, we have been using our own custom units on our competition car, have been happy with them. We built several units for our Evo customers, and they have been very successful in local competition. For the price of them, they represent great value; generally we have been able to provide a custom JIC unit under $2K.
We are also in Maryland, and we provide discounts on installation and corner balancing if the coilover is purchased from us.
If you are interested, do not hesitate to give us a call
Originally Posted by ogvw
correct, they do not come with upper mounts/camber plates. You can use any of the aftermarket plates with them. The reason that the Ohlins are better than the others has to do with the internal workings of the damper. They are designed to react MUCH MUCH faster than the JIC/Zeal/Tein stuff. The bleeds/piston/shimstack are a cut above the normal "street" suspensions out there. I have set them up with many different spring combos and can help choose the best setup for your driving style.
For the truly nutso track guys we can also custom valve them for an additional charge.
For the truly nutso track guys we can also custom valve them
for an additional charge.If strictly for racing applications, we'd recommend the Group-N setup: http://www.worksevo.com/store/produc...roducts_id=130
Just in time, i got some cash now and i'm just about to start preping my car for track events, for the beginning of next year. I think i'm going to check with the local SELGP, but the Works set up looks nice. For strickly tarmac use what range of spring rates do you suggest i start with? I orignally wanted the Proflex EVO3 set up, but i think with the Ohlins and JIC i have more local support for rebuilds, but i'm not sure how often they would require rebuilds? How about the Motons, how much would a set up similar to the Ohilns tarmac group n, cost?
Originally Posted by Jamie@WORKS
The WORKS/Ohlins Stage II and III both include adjustable front camber plates and stiffer springs. WORKS can also customize spring rates to fit your specifications.
If strictly for racing applications, we'd recommend the Group-N setup: http://www.worksevo.com/store/produc...roducts_id=130
If strictly for racing applications, we'd recommend the Group-N setup: http://www.worksevo.com/store/produc...roducts_id=130
do you have this set up on any of your cars? how do you like it?
Originally Posted by EVO8speed
do you have this set up on any of your cars? how do you like it?
Originally Posted by Jamie@WORKS
We have the Ohlins Stage II on the MR right now and have also used it on another of our EVOs. Personally, I though it was one of the best setups I have driven. Very forgiving on the street, but quickly transitions to a firm grip once you start throwing the car around.
Originally Posted by ogvw
correct, they do not come with upper mounts/camber plates. You can use any of the aftermarket plates with them. The reason that the Ohlins are better than the others has to do with the internal workings of the damper. They are designed to react MUCH MUCH faster than the JIC/Zeal/Tein stuff. The bleeds/piston/shimstack are a cut above the normal "street" suspensions out there. I have set them up with many different spring combos and can help choose the best setup for your driving style.
For the truly nutso track guys we can also custom valve them for an additional charge.
For the truly nutso track guys we can also custom valve them
for an additional charge.Can I come up Friday morning Nov 12, for an install? I have the Ohlin R & T with with custom springs 350f/450r cusco camber plates, and an RRE rear sway bar. Any advice? I'm still trying to figure out a wheel tire combo to complement this setup.
Last edited by Smogrunner; Nov 5, 2004 at 07:01 AM.
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It has been sometime I have not posted here have been too busy.
IMHO, Ohlin's are great shocks overall, and stated previously it has to do with the design of the shock internals. The only problem still remaining - to my best knowledge that cannot be considered as the latest information - is the crosstalk, meaning the direct and indirect effects of compression or rebound adjustment to one another. Shim and valve design is critical of course.
I would pick Ohlins over JIC 9 times out of 10; the real drawback is price; btw we do not sell Ohlins, so you should know I am as impartial as I can be.
On the other hand, by January we will have a new setup for the Evo that will utilize quite advanced shock technology at a reasonable price. We are currently testing it on the STi, and even preliminary test are impressive; specifically on the issue of crosstalk; stay tuned
have been too busy.IMHO, Ohlin's are great shocks overall, and stated previously it has to do with the design of the shock internals. The only problem still remaining - to my best knowledge that cannot be considered as the latest information - is the crosstalk, meaning the direct and indirect effects of compression or rebound adjustment to one another. Shim and valve design is critical of course.
I would pick Ohlins over JIC 9 times out of 10; the real drawback is price; btw we do not sell Ohlins, so you should know I am as impartial as I can be.
On the other hand, by January we will have a new setup for the Evo that will utilize quite advanced shock technology at a reasonable price. We are currently testing it on the STi, and even preliminary test are impressive; specifically on the issue of crosstalk; stay tuned
Originally Posted by AltezzaBob
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I'd go for JIC over Ohlins if you want to street drive it as well. As Ohlins has little or no customer support and rebuild of the units are quite pricey.
JIC FLT-A2's/RA's will out perform about 90% of every single Evolution owners capability to drive and the vehicles platform. Sometimes people will complain about their suspension(read: coilover system) when it is something else in the suspension system i.e. camber, caster, toe increment adjustment, linkage arms, linkage bushings or sway settings to steering wheel ratio. Unless your vehicle is straight up off-road, and you have the money to go race-prep all the time, then i see why not on Ohlins or whatever you can fork over.
But i've seen all sorts of coilovers and rode in all that i have seen. From Tein's SS-Super RA's in all assortment of spring rates, JIC's FL1-FLTA2's, HKS Hipermax II and Comfort Edition, Kei Office, Ohlins, Zeal's, i would once again put my money, my life on Zeal units. They are absolutely the best build quality, best quality of material and best matched units for the money. Though they are quite pricey, you get what you pay for, and in this case you get more than what you pay for. The spring perches absolutely just zip on the threads, all the mounting points are exact to spec and no play. The shock damper's are hard to break the seal (with a proper break in), best ride i have every been.
ZEAL ZEAL ZEAL.
JIC FLT-A2's/RA's will out perform about 90% of every single Evolution owners capability to drive and the vehicles platform. Sometimes people will complain about their suspension(read: coilover system) when it is something else in the suspension system i.e. camber, caster, toe increment adjustment, linkage arms, linkage bushings or sway settings to steering wheel ratio. Unless your vehicle is straight up off-road, and you have the money to go race-prep all the time, then i see why not on Ohlins or whatever you can fork over.
But i've seen all sorts of coilovers and rode in all that i have seen. From Tein's SS-Super RA's in all assortment of spring rates, JIC's FL1-FLTA2's, HKS Hipermax II and Comfort Edition, Kei Office, Ohlins, Zeal's, i would once again put my money, my life on Zeal units. They are absolutely the best build quality, best quality of material and best matched units for the money. Though they are quite pricey, you get what you pay for, and in this case you get more than what you pay for. The spring perches absolutely just zip on the threads, all the mounting points are exact to spec and no play. The shock damper's are hard to break the seal (with a proper break in), best ride i have every been.
ZEAL ZEAL ZEAL.