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Dec 11, 2001, 03:43 AM
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haven't chosen a definite day but let's keep in touch. As I'll have to take a day off anyway I can come almost everyday then in End of Feb/ Beginning of March.
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Mike
haven't chosen a definite day but let's keep in touch. As I'll have to take a day off anyway I can come almost everyday then in End of Feb/ Beginning of March.
Cheers
Mike
Dec 11, 2001, 04:11 AM
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Also I'll have to amass the necessary dinero before that too. There's something fishy going on with my account at the moment, have to got tothe bank and see if my company have paid me as when I checked at the machine today there was quite a lot less than there should have been...
Dec 17, 2001, 06:11 AM
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Guys,
Last Saturday I had the luxury to put the Mov’it brakes on my car. I can tell you, it’s the best investment you can do on the EVO. After driving them in and arriving home from a 500Km drive and after removing all the old-brembo **** from my trunk I went for the ultimate test. Driving up to 250km/h and braking like mad down till 70-80, smash it into 3rd gear, full throttle again up to 250. I repeated this 10 times in a row, no fading, no warping and then after pulling over I even could touch the calipers, they didn’t heat up at all.
Bloody marvelous, now I will contact Guido to replace the rear as well, now I’m convinced it’s necessary when you braking in extreme conditions. You can easily feel that the rear brakes are not doing a proper job since the fronts do all the work.
This braking reminds me about my friends 996 turbo, immense braking power but all in control. It’s identical with my Mo’vit brakes, a very good pedal response, all very controllable.
Claudius, forget about 6-pot AP, I’ve tried them on a EVO, on a STI and on a 550hp Skyline. AP does a proper job, however Mov’it is just in another league.
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Jan.
Dec 17, 2001, 12:38 PM
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Wow, Jan, seems you like them a lot. Great!
I have never tried doing what you did going top speed and braking down to 70 kmh because I hate the highway driving and avoid it as much as possible. Could be useful for the ring though, couldnt it? But hey, have you tried doing the same with a good OEM setup, like discs and pads? I'm not too sure it will fade like mad because it takes quite some time to get up to 250 again from 70, therefore cooling.
But how is the actual braking power anyway? Like a Porsche you say. Well, that's good. And... that's it? I mean your car is lighter. Are you running their soft pads?
The back should be a good thing to do, balances the braking force. Have you changed the master cylinder to a bigger one?
I have never tried doing what you did going top speed and braking down to 70 kmh because I hate the highway driving and avoid it as much as possible. Could be useful for the ring though, couldnt it? But hey, have you tried doing the same with a good OEM setup, like discs and pads? I'm not too sure it will fade like mad because it takes quite some time to get up to 250 again from 70, therefore cooling.
But how is the actual braking power anyway? Like a Porsche you say. Well, that's good. And... that's it? I mean your car is lighter. Are you running their soft pads?
The back should be a good thing to do, balances the braking force. Have you changed the master cylinder to a bigger one?
Dec 17, 2001, 12:59 PM
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Rear brakes are still standard, I'm not gonna bother experimenting with the bigger cilinder from the front. Takes too much effort/time while there is a perfect solution waiting for me the get bought. If everything were as easy as this...
I agree, the Porsches are heavier, the point I try to make is that Porsche is known for their brake stability/power/durability. I can't speak for Mov'it durability yet, but seeing how many laps Gerrit already did on the Ring there is NOW no cell in my brain that tends to doubt this.
As for a good OEM setup, I've changed bearings/hubs twice added the PE brake ducts, used group N discs, good pads, name it. I never really did the same test, but both changes were killed in the local docks in Antwerp, which is hard braking but not extreme braking. And in my opinion I think it should not take more that 30 seconds (did not time it) to go from 70 to 250, which means that every ~35 seconds you're down to 70 and this 10 times in a row. I don't think any racetrack will match this, therefore I think it's extreme braking.
I'm not running soft pads, am planning to buy the pagid ones after the standards (dunno what they fitted, could read the brand) are gone.
The pedal always keeps it's very progressive feeling, even after the 10th time.
I agree, the Porsches are heavier, the point I try to make is that Porsche is known for their brake stability/power/durability. I can't speak for Mov'it durability yet, but seeing how many laps Gerrit already did on the Ring there is NOW no cell in my brain that tends to doubt this.
As for a good OEM setup, I've changed bearings/hubs twice added the PE brake ducts, used group N discs, good pads, name it. I never really did the same test, but both changes were killed in the local docks in Antwerp, which is hard braking but not extreme braking. And in my opinion I think it should not take more that 30 seconds (did not time it) to go from 70 to 250, which means that every ~35 seconds you're down to 70 and this 10 times in a row. I don't think any racetrack will match this, therefore I think it's extreme braking.
I'm not running soft pads, am planning to buy the pagid ones after the standards (dunno what they fitted, could read the brand) are gone.
The pedal always keeps it's very progressive feeling, even after the 10th time.
Dec 17, 2001, 01:33 PM
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So it looks like I wasn't praising them for nothing.
Jan
glad you like them. You're absolutely right the rears can't keep up with Movit front kit. As intermediate solution I fitted the Pagid RS 14 till I'll go to Guido again with Michael to get the rears done aswell.
Currently you use the GT3 sport spec pad. All the OEM pads of Porsche are made by Texstar. This pad is already quite good as you could experience when doing the highspeed braking. I did similar things with additionally 3 people in the car up to 220 and they worked brilliantly but then I cooked the standard rear pads
Looks like I'm again on a mission to disturb all those nice MLR guys with my Movit topic again
Cheers
Mike
Jan
glad you like them. You're absolutely right the rears can't keep up with Movit front kit. As intermediate solution I fitted the Pagid RS 14 till I'll go to Guido again with Michael to get the rears done aswell.
Currently you use the GT3 sport spec pad. All the OEM pads of Porsche are made by Texstar. This pad is already quite good as you could experience when doing the highspeed braking. I did similar things with additionally 3 people in the car up to 220 and they worked brilliantly but then I cooked the standard rear pads
Looks like I'm again on a mission to disturb all those nice MLR guys with my Movit topic again
Cheers
Mike
Dec 17, 2001, 08:42 PM
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Well guys, this Mov'it thing I started on the MLR last summer has really come a long way. Thanks Scooby Mike, for all the persistent work! You should go into sales!!
Mov'it Evo team:
Gerrit
Mike
Jan
Micheal K
RM-Evo 7
Andre!!
etc.
I switched to Movit last summer and since then I have had no more brake stress! Those pics Claudius posted are actually of my car. It was used as a test car for the front and rear setup.
(it is so late already because we worked all night to get some mountain bikes built for the press: www.idworx-bikes.com) So, now you see I do something totally different.
My 6 is alive again!!
Mov'it Evo team:
Gerrit
Mike
Jan
Micheal K
RM-Evo 7
Andre!!
etc.
I switched to Movit last summer and since then I have had no more brake stress! Those pics Claudius posted are actually of my car. It was used as a test car for the front and rear setup.
(it is so late already because we worked all night to get some mountain bikes built for the press: www.idworx-bikes.com) So, now you see I do something totally different.
My 6 is alive again!!
Dec 18, 2001, 02:30 AM
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Nice one Gerrit! Shame about the weather....
I might go and get Movit fronts only this spring as I don't think I'll have the necessary money cause my company conned me out of my christmas bonus... unbelievable shít, if I would've known that I would never have joined this POS company!!!
First they tell me it's all good you get your bonus like everyone else, then they make me sign a new bonus programme depending on turnover full-well knowing that my deal that I'm working on will never go thourgh until next year!!! Scanky money-saving techniques!!! I'll go and talk to the CEO today and see what he says, depending on that is my future commitment to this company!!!
I might go and get Movit fronts only this spring as I don't think I'll have the necessary money cause my company conned me out of my christmas bonus... unbelievable shít, if I would've known that I would never have joined this POS company!!!
First they tell me it's all good you get your bonus like everyone else, then they make me sign a new bonus programme depending on turnover full-well knowing that my deal that I'm working on will never go thourgh until next year!!! Scanky money-saving techniques!!! I'll go and talk to the CEO today and see what he says, depending on that is my future commitment to this company!!!
Dec 18, 2001, 03:45 AM
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Claudius,
Brake power is that good I started to worry if the hubs-suspensions are strong enough to deal with the extra power. It’s like my R1, once I started racing that thing my suspension was way too soft that I was pushing the forks way down that I could hear a ‘clunck’ hitting the bottom (Ohlins solved thisJ). That’s of course not possible on a car (I hope).
Claudius, you’re one skeptic SOB, do you have any English blood in ya J? All the bad weather and misery started over here in middle-europe. I probably come over for a weekend in the South soon. Then we can compare the brake power from your CTF and my Mov’it discs.
What’s the temperature down there, 15 degrees and no rain?
Jan.
Brake power is that good I started to worry if the hubs-suspensions are strong enough to deal with the extra power. It’s like my R1, once I started racing that thing my suspension was way too soft that I was pushing the forks way down that I could hear a ‘clunck’ hitting the bottom (Ohlins solved thisJ). That’s of course not possible on a car (I hope).
Claudius, you’re one skeptic SOB, do you have any English blood in ya J? All the bad weather and misery started over here in middle-europe. I probably come over for a weekend in the South soon. Then we can compare the brake power from your CTF and my Mov’it discs.
What’s the temperature down there, 15 degrees and no rain?
Jan.
Dec 18, 2001, 06:09 AM
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I doubt very much that there is any English blood in me, have I ever mentioned fuel consumption or warranty issues? Or Toyo tires? C'mon, be serious
You have to understand that I cant really understand why the Movit brakes would be so much better, the discs are smaller, the pads softer, and the calipers lighter and monobloc (one piece), with possibly bigger pad surface on the disc (scoobymike didnt answer that one
)
You are welcome to compare, you are welcome to come visit me any time, you can stay at my place, I have a closed garage for your Evo and a cool
in the fridge. But remember I use semislicks and modified Öhlins suspensions, all things that improve braking. And I know how to disconnect the ABS
Today it is actually sunny, but the temp is only 10 degrees C (50F)
I doubt very much that there is any English blood in me, have I ever mentioned fuel consumption or warranty issues? Or Toyo tires? C'mon, be serious
You have to understand that I cant really understand why the Movit brakes would be so much better, the discs are smaller, the pads softer, and the calipers lighter and monobloc (one piece), with possibly bigger pad surface on the disc (scoobymike didnt answer that one
)You are welcome to compare, you are welcome to come visit me any time, you can stay at my place, I have a closed garage for your Evo and a cool
in the fridge. But remember I use semislicks and modified Öhlins suspensions, all things that improve braking. And I know how to disconnect the ABS Today it is actually sunny, but the temp is only 10 degrees C (50F)