Thank you yes that was my question, and my research revealed that the software will be free, so evidently when RACE comes out Cobb will be a great bang for anybody's buck

 

It was a good attempt, but one those $400 pcs suck *****, no cd drive laptop is pointless. AP already comes with free maps, dont believe ecuflash comes with basemaps for free that already shown to produce 303awhp on a dyno w/ stock x. Consider AP with all its functions, 1/4/, boost, wideband , virtual dyno, ecu restore and failsafe, Vallet, Economy, Theft, i can go on. Is much more practical then a laptop in your passenger seat. And 695 isnt bad considering the free base maps your only buying a 300 or less unit considering boost gauge, wideband, etc cost money plus a laptop and cable vs customer service and free stage 1 and stage 2 maps. AP can also share maps with other people as ecuflash.

Not everybody tunes their cars themselves they use other companies for that so when you debate from a few of them vs ap.

Full Custom ecu flash from buschur $575
Dynoflash full custom $399 mailin base $232
Ams stage 0 flash $499.95

vs

AP with free stage 1 base map(303awhp dynonamics)Bone Stock Evo X

Free stage 2 base map to come
Free tuning software
View boost ($$$ for gauge)
View a/f ($$$ for gauge)
etc etc etc. to view $$$
$695 is cheap
Modern Automotive Performance $625 and more companies around there.
Most places do a free custom map and free overnight with it also.

Practicality Practicality Practicality

Lets see you sell ecuflash for $200-$600.

 

So does AP has a wideband gauge?? Also does a nyone just use the AP as their gauges?

 

I read this much of your post and stopped.

Why do i need a cd drive for a tuning laptop? Will it work just fine for installing ECUFlash, tuning, and uploading my own maps or maps i get from opensource tuners? Absolutely.

 

Yes it does. It has many other gauges as well. It kind of reminded me of the Greddy Intelligent Informeter, but much better. You could use it to replace gauges, but the only downfall I see is you can only look at one specific reading at a time. I just wish I could look at many readings at once. The Greddy Informeter allowed six readings on one screen.

 

I have a AEM wideband and boost gauge I was installing tommorrow. Now Im not sure.

 

You might want to hold off especially if your installer will not charge a fee for backing out. Try the AP first and see if you like it. It is really accurate. My friend had an AEM on his mazda 3 speed and then got AP. I seen both in action in his car. The AP is just as accurate. I keep my AP as my wide band, but still kept my boost gauge. It is all on personal preference.

 

You mean the Acer Aspire One 9 inch notebook that I am currently typing this message on. The one that I got for $379 shipped to your door. The one that is small enough to sit in your glove box that has a 6 hour battery life that I used today to tune an Evo and still had 3 hours of battery life left. The one that can store bazillion ECUflash maps.

Read more here

http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop...=9136351&br=14

 

First, congrats on the AP. It is a really good unit.

Second, do not sell yourself short. Back in March of 2005 I had a pro tune my car. It turned out to be the biggest mistake I made. I wasted $1000 on a piggyback and a tune. I did not know much about tuning.

Fast forward to now. I have tuned about 60 Evos this past year alone using Ecuflash. Tuning is not har, it is not rocket science or voodoo magic. It simple, logical and repetitive. The more you do it the better you get.

I even wrote a detailed how to that is a sticky in the ECUflash forum for the Evo 9/8. This is my thankyou to the community that gave me so much. Once the Evo 10 ECUflash is out, I plan to start tuning the X. Then I am going to do a detailed write-up for the X just like the one I did for the 8/9.

It is just a matter of time before ECUflash dominates the Evo X maarket just like it does dominate the Evo 8/9 market.

 

RU EVO: Im pretty sure the evo x does not have a wideband from the factory, but a narrow band. Not the same thing, and even with a wideband it might not be able to read it.

 

^Im staying with the AP. I really dont have the time to teach myself how to tune, and much less time to drive up and down the street to try to tune my car. Im glad we have all the eccuflash guys out there to test things on their cars. I just dont have the time. The OP started this thread asking a question. Not to start a war over AP vs eccuflash.

 

Well, like he said, tuning is not rocket science. It's simply keeping some numbers which are very easy to understand within very easy to understand limits. Ive talked too you, and i know you're more than capable of learning if you had some time.

I think the vendors who tune and rely on tuning to feed their families would have us all believe its some unique skill that only they have. But of course, at one point in time they all knew nothing about tuning.

And you can always tune on a dyno, just like every other tuner does. Street tuning is never ideal.

 

I may be off on this but can't the AP be used open source also? Granted I see where tuners are charging $99 for downloading maps which is fine but whats stopping people from sharing maps? As far as I can tell from these units you can share files to and from them.

Lets say I take my car down to the dyno and tune it using the AP and racing software, all I have to do is take that map from my AP and anyone else that has the same setup can use my map.

Its not like the files are locked on to the units.

 

No AWD dyno in Oklahoma. Have to drive 3hrs to dallas for dyno. Eccuflash is tempting, but Ill start with AP if I start to learn more maybe Ill mess with tuning.

 

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