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Old Jun 12, 2010 | 04:40 PM
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Narrowband to wideband

I've been looking for a way to convert narrowband to wideband, does anyone have a program or an equation in which to do this?
Trying to use stock o2 on the Evo X with innovate lm2 but it's not working so I'm looking for a way to use the stock o2 sensor with evoscan.
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Old Jun 12, 2010 | 04:43 PM
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You can't use the stock sensor as a wideband.
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Old Jun 12, 2010 | 04:47 PM
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ive seen it before from some pro tuners, the use the front o2 with a program to convert it, and it seems to work well
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Old Jun 12, 2010 | 04:56 PM
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http://www.civicforums.com/forums/7-...-use-only.html

here's a diy I found before, I know it's for a civic
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Old Jun 12, 2010 | 05:47 PM
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you're asking a sensor that sends out 0-2 volts to do what a sensor that sends out 0-5 volts can do. that's the whole point of a wideband, better resolution range.

as far as the DIY, i believe some vehicles, mainly hondas, where equiped with widebands from the factory. ours wasn't, trust me.

GL though.
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Old Jun 12, 2010 | 05:58 PM
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not even that.

a narrow band only knows 2 things:
1) when its leaner than stoich
2) when its richer than stoich

it doesn't have a concept of range of leanness/richness...

just get a proper wideband
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Old Jun 12, 2010 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by tephra
not even that.

a narrow band only knows 2 things:
1) when its leaner than stoich
2) when its richer than stoich

it doesn't have a concept of range of leanness/richness...

just get a proper wideband
yup, and that's directly corrolated to the fact that a narrowband goes from 0-2 volts so the car when it idles or cruises will always try to remain at 1 volt which is stoich, and variance in voltage + is leaner - is richer that's all it knows. but with a wideband it has the range of 0-5 volts, so there is more resolution to it when it goes richer or leaner.

I know we're both saying the same thing haha
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Old Jun 12, 2010 | 06:20 PM
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actually most NB's operate from 0 to 1 v, with 0.45v being the "switching" voltage...

your post made it seem like 0-2v was just reduced resolution, but thats not really right at all

like 0.4v, for a 0-1v NB, is NOT equiv to 2v in 0-5v WB
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Old Jun 12, 2010 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by tephra
actually most NB's operate from 0 to 1 v, with 0.45v being the "switching" voltage...

your post made it seem like 0-2v was just reduced resolution, but thats not really right at all

like 0.4v, for a 0-1v NB, is NOT equiv to 2v in 0-5v WB
tomatoe tomato hahaha it's not my fault people don't know narrow bands have three modes, stoich, rich, or lean without any resolution in between hence the name (narrow) hahaha.
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Old Jun 12, 2010 | 08:05 PM
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we tried the front o2 and we pulled a little over 3 volts?? i can post up the graph if needed?
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Old Jun 12, 2010 | 08:28 PM
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Some widebands have multiple outputs and you can program the controller to simulate narrow band outputs on one (or more) of the outputs. The LC-1's let you do this. I never tried it, but if the narrow band simulation's signal was compatible with what the ECU needs to do its magic, it might save you from getting a bung welded in and just swapping the front NB for the WB, route output #2 to the NB ECU input, and output #1 to your WB gauge.

IIRC, the yellow wire in the LC-1 is the analog output #1 and is pre-programmed to simulate narrowband output, and the brown wire is analog output #2, which is used for wideband data logging. Please double check that and make sure you know what you're doing before trying this
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Old Jun 13, 2010 | 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by blk-majik
Some widebands have multiple outputs and you can program the controller to simulate narrow band outputs on one (or more) of the outputs. The LC-1's let you do this. I never tried it, but if the narrow band simulation's signal was compatible with what the ECU needs to do its magic, it might save you from getting a bung welded in and just swapping the front NB for the WB, route output #2 to the NB ECU input, and output #1 to your WB gauge.

IIRC, the yellow wire in the LC-1 is the analog output #1 and is pre-programmed to simulate narrowband output, and the brown wire is analog output #2, which is used for wideband data logging. Please double check that and make sure you know what you're doing before trying this
So I can swap the current Narrowband sensor for the LC-1 Sensor, and set one of the outputs on this to simulate the Narrowbend sensor to the ECU? This avoids having to install a new bung? Does this confuse the ECU at all? As in different readings?
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Old Jun 13, 2010 | 05:29 AM
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you can - but to be honest I have never found the LC1 reliable enough to replace the main NB sensor..

that said after I had it wired correctly etc it has become a lot better..
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Old Jun 13, 2010 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ZurichEvo
So I can swap the current Narrowband sensor for the LC-1 Sensor, and set one of the outputs on this to simulate the Narrowbend sensor to the ECU? This avoids having to install a new bung? Does this confuse the ECU at all? As in different readings?
i did this a while ago when my front o2 died and mitsu in perth quoted me a RIDICULOUS replacement cost. seems to work fine. i'll prob end up just replacing the OEM narrowband when i can find one for a reasonable price. here's the thread https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ge...da-sensor.html
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Old Jun 13, 2010 | 10:40 AM
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i did this a while ago when my front o2 died and mitsu in perth quoted me a RIDICULOUS replacement cost. seems to work fine. i'll prob end up just replacing the OEM narrowband when i can find one for a reasonable price. here's the thread https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ge...da-sensor.html
Brilliant that will save me getting the downpipe!
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