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Old Jun 19, 2011 | 02:01 PM
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5th gear high rpm throttle closure

Have someone experienced this?
I have seen this on several evo X, all with manual gearbox.
It happens only on 5th gear, at 7125rpm the TPS goes from 87% to 55%, and than slowly return to 87%.
All this evo X have airflow and torque DTC disabled, no boost cut, no knock...
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Old Jun 19, 2011 | 07:42 PM
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I believe that is the speed limiter. Do you happen to be going approx 190 km/h when it happens? (remember the speedo can be a bit off at that speed, so in the general vicinity)

Is it a Euro ROM or JDM?

Code:
  <table name="Speed Limiter #1" address="53062" category="Limits" type="2D" scaling="VehicleSpeed">
    <table name="X" type="Static Y Axis" elements="2">
      <data>Limiter ON</data>
      <data>Limiter OFF</data>
    </table>
  </table>

  <table name="Speed Limiter #2" address="53fb2" category="Limits" type="2D" scaling="VehicleSpeed">
    <table name="X" type="Static Y Axis" elements="2">
      <data>Limiter ON</data>
      <data>Limiter OFF</data>
    </table>
  </table>

  <table name="Speed Limiter #3" address="533d2" category="Limits" type="2D" scaling="VehicleSpeed">
    <table name="X" type="Static Y Axis" elements="2">
      <data>Limiter ON</data>
      <data>Limiter OFF</data>
    </table>
  </table>

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Old Jun 19, 2011 | 09:51 PM
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I have the 3 speed limiters defined for most of the non-USDM cars on my website.

I didn't bother with the USDM, because they don't really have a limit stock, and most people are interested in limiting their max speed.
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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 01:12 AM
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They are all EDM cars, 53040007 and 08.
I don't think it's a speed limiter. It happens at approx 250Km/h (155mph) of tacho, and 240Km/h (149mph) in evoscan.
And the car continue tu pull to over 165mph of tacho, but slowly!
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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by eTiLiKo
They are all EDM cars, 53040007 and 08.
I don't think it's a speed limiter. It happens at approx 250Km/h (155mph) of tacho, and 240Km/h (149mph) in evoscan.
And the car continue tu pull to over 165mph of tacho, but slowly!
sounds like a speed limiter to me, here in the states a lot of cars a "limited" to 155mph.
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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 05:07 AM
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But it isn't limiting the speed, it only slow down the acceleration past a certain speed.
In any case, 53062 is at 510Km/h, 53fb2 also, 533d2 is at 190Km/h but the car has no problem at this speed.
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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 05:15 AM
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I've noticed this too when going up to 160 mph I'm my car (before tune "stock" and after tune). There must be some lookup table for speed to cut the throttle, it's probably a speed limiter of some kind.
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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 08:21 AM
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Speed limiter #2 is set to 190 km/h on and 186 km/h off.
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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 08:39 AM
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Oddly I manually induced this at Daytona this year by reducing the max throttle past 7800 from 100% down to 30% at 8000 to avoid having to baby the car at the edge of the rev limiter.

It's possible that the way it calculates load and RPM's it might throw you more to the left than expected at higher RPM's and forcing it to allow less than 100% TPS maximums. You could try adding 100% entries one or two cells to the left in all the Throttle maps at that RPM range and I bet that would take care of it unless there was some odd speed limiter kicking in from another table.
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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 09:57 AM
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It's acting just like what the speed limiter does, it reduces throttle to approx 50%. Although I do find it odd that it starts adding it back so quickly.

Have you tried increasing speed limiter #2 just to see if that changes it?

Perhaps you found another limiter of some kind.
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Old Jun 21, 2011 | 01:38 PM
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I can try but I don't think it will make anything.
This saturday I try it
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Old Jun 24, 2011 | 12:24 PM
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Increasing speed limiter #2 doesn't make any difference
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Old Jun 24, 2011 | 12:26 PM
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tephra, have you ever seen this before?

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...ml#post9415240
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Old Jun 24, 2011 | 07:35 PM
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nope
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Old Jun 25, 2011 | 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by tephra
nope
Mmmm, so I can ssume that 53040010 don't do this?
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