In my past 20+ years I got to know some real pro tuners (not selfclaimed) , they recommend it over open source on stock ECU's even today. Not long ago I got tuned again with Ecuteck, car speaks for itself.
I go with they opinion its 2003 or 2016 doesn't matter, this is a new 2016 Ecuteck not a 2003. ( i am guessing you refer the Evo landing date in the USA. But Evo so as ecuteck is going back a lot longer in the tuner scene / racing history, and still going on for a good reason.

my choice to listen to those guys, and that choice never failed. But i do understand everyone has they own opinion and path.


just my 0.2 cents

 

Most likely because they already invested in Ecutek and licensing.

I've worked with Ecutek before and there is not one thing it can do that Ecuflash cannot. With TephraMod V3, EcuFlash is now light years ahead of Ecutek and much cheaper on both customer and tuner side.

You constantly bringing up the snarky "self-proclaimed" moniker to create a your tuner vs. every body else and it's very ignorant of you and disrespectful to a good amount of tuners on this forum.



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The stock ECU does anything that anyone could ask. EcuFlash is free. Makes sense to me.

 

So im really new to all this tuning stuff and been reading a lot of threads about Evoscan with ecuflash and TephraMod v3 vs Cobb tuning but no mention of Cobb AccessTuner pro/race software. From what i can see [ mind you i don't know much about this ] but i do see a lot of the same tables and tuning capability going either platforms. I do have a 14 MR that i will be building up and i hear a everybody saying to stay away from COBB with the MR... why is this?

 

The SST tables on the Cobb aren't the greatest. But Ecuflash has other advantages like live tuning and feature packed ROMs like TephraXmod v2 & v3

 

Thanks for the reply back . Just trying to get my ducks in a row before i start modding this MR. Im finding it pretty hard to find shops here in Colorado Springs that are legit and know wtf they are doing. I hear good and bad things about everyone here, nothing really solid so its very frustrating

 

If you can't find a reputable shop, you can always consider an e-tune from someone here on the forums. It doesn't have the advantages of a dyno tune, but you can count on the legit-ness of the tuners on here.

 

Tai seng tunning is good.Friend tells me,AMS dont tune the evo x plateform?

 

CBRD tuned my MR, thanks Chad!

 

Which one is better? I like the cobb but I dont want to pay 500 and then plus a tune.

 

Either can work for your needs.


Do you want another option for logging things like knock count and fuel trims, in an easy to carry around package? Do you want to be able to switch maps quickly? Get the AP.

Do you not care about the above? Get an opensource tune.

 

first of all I would go to CBRD COBB to get a tune vs the open source if that is not done by CBRD. to staying on topic.



I will answer to Razor, with good intention in mind for guys who start modifying they car or looking for a tune with my own experience. Hope fully people learn form it, and doesn't have to go through what I had to.

So for Razor:

I would rather call it an experience.

Let me post it once, my experience about tuners. I am just telling what happened with me and my cars. Many eye whiteness so as paper work, hell even I think videos is there when this happened in many cases.

I had Evos before 2004 in Eu, so I had some previous experience with 4G63T power and behavior. Also other AWD turbo cars. I am 45 years old so I had a time to get to know them .

Fast forward , 2004 I got my first Evo 8 GSR in the USA.
Perhaps I had to modify it asap., Got Tuned 3 very well know tuner shop back then in the NE. I can name one , because I don't think they around anymore was Turbotrix.

Car had series of problem after they tuned it, from melting sparkplugs etc, brought it back, they literally blow the car on the dyno. Fixed get a new tune with a very well know shop also NJ. car runs acceptable but has serious turbo lag and minor issues.

I don't care I got a new Evo 9 RS Tried another Magazine featured tuner from CT with him the car running even ****tier, go back to NJ to get an acceptable tune, since the tuners I know from EU wasn't neither of them to come to the USA to tune any car. ( no time /not enough money in USA market for them)

Crashed the 9 RS later, got a new Evo 2008 X GSR. Tuned famous NJ tuner , well I wasn't happy, but running nice.
Build a rally car with a 34 mm restrictor and need a retune properly on stock ECU. No tuners made my car run safe or even to the point it was good for race. Once I had to run back to CT retuning the car DURING the rally race brake at night to try to get rid of the issues I am having. Of course engine blows after 3rd race event at the practice day on NJMP. Some guys here maybe were there to back me up on that lol


Then as many cases , when you hit a rock bottom my struggle ends here. Got a call from my older tuner friend, and he said he has to come to the USA for different reason, but he will tune my car, and we can hang out.

Mean time i am already running on the new engine with a "pro-tune" here in the rally car. Tuned by Various famous tuner shops from CT to NJ , nobody got it right. The last tuner who touched was Akuma. Is he still around by the way? The LOL
Anyhow car made top:
225whp -350 wtq on 29-30 PSI with a blue 104 Sunoco race gas. that was in 2010. Very sluggish , unreal turbo lag etc. Literally a 1996 FWD Golf GTI destroyed my car in straight line acceleration everywhere.

Same car - same gas -not dyno jet, but Dynodinamics dyno -same engine, and a different tuner ( + a new GEMS ECU he wont tune my car on Stock ECU) since 2011, my car makes 315whp - 460 wtq with max peak of boost 24 psi instead of the 29-30 peak psi.

today is 2016 , same engine been through the hell , even with dead race gas ( sun rays killed it... whole other story), clogged fuel filter, ALS./ had to change turbo once which was a factory installed form 2008 once , still on the used replacement one is on it)
No issues no problem running strong.
This is where its ends today, my tuner experience.


I seems ignorant for you, that is fine. I bet many of these "Pro" tuners cant even touch Pectel (not Cosworth pectel) or Gems even the new Motec...

Ecuflash is a stolen-hacked system from Ecuteck around 2003. I am not sure but I think Russians did cracked it first.
Sure its improved year by year. But what do you think Ecuteck has no development ? LOL

There perhaps top level tuners who works with Ecuflash like Tephra , and as my understanding that is including you, and others in the forum. Who can and does make good tunes with Ecuflash, also makes it better.

But that doesn't change a fact if you go to a tuners who has an Ecuteck license ( as you did had once or still have it) you had a LOT bigger chance to get a good tune, not blowing engine etc.

When I am saying not a self claimed pro tuner is not an insult to everyone, just does who are really are, and there are plenty of cases like that , even on this forum.
Just remember the guys from TTP etc...Where they are today? They even made it to SEMA... right?


For other people:
My suggestion is go to a tuner shop who does have history if you want to have an Ecuflash tune. (probably they do have an Ecuteck license too... Ironic isn't it? lol)
And they are functioning over 5 years. That is a good indication to having or getting a good tune.

AVOID from tuners who doesn't have a shop ( arriving with a laptop to you place or you go his house or garage) or stellar name .

This is my opinion, if you wanna be safe.


( there are many great tuners I never heard any bad things about them, neither had ANY experience with them. So I am not talking about ALL USA tuners, definitely not those shops who are around more then 5 years. I have great respect for many . Including English Racing, CBRD , etc etc. also Tephra , Razorlab as a not tunershop if I know right)

Rob

 

It all comes down to how talented the tuners are and what product they are comfortable with. I see this working in hospitals and see what equipment Dr's are comfortable with using. Each are different. I would hate to be the patient and have the Dr. work on me with something he is not comfortable with.
This can apply to tuners as well. I totally side with Razor in his evaluation of both products. Oh and Rob I am 60 years old....just for the record

 

Sounds like you just had a bunch of crappy tunes Rob.

Rob, since it seems age and resumes are a yardstick you can relate to, I am 41 years old, and I have been tuning for 20+ years, street cars, race cars(omg what?!) over multiple continents, time zones and elevations, using Ecuflash, Ecutek, Cobb, Gems, Motec, AEM, PowerFC, E-Manage, HPTuner, Hondata, etc etc. 91,93,94, 100,110, Ethanol, C16, blah blah blah.

And yes, I do think you come across as ignorant on here.