no lie it still does look stock

 

thinking about getting the Upper Intercooler Pipe for my new X. I was wondering if anyone as notice any performance gains.

 

That's awesome looking. It definately still looks stock.

 

does anybody know if these pipes would work with aftermarket intercoolers if i was to get one down the road? and the pipe diameter?

 

Yeah they will work. As a matter of fact I'm looking to see what intercooler I can find now. I know Nisei also makes great IC but they never rush they're products out so it may be a while.

 

Honestly, and I'm not trying to start a flame war here or anything, but I can't see how a one piece UICP makes any difference compared to a two piece UICP with silicone couplers or a UICP made from butt welded tubing, etc. At the intake pressure levels these cars run, the mass flow difference will be so negligable between these three types of units it will be nearly impossible to measure with any imperical testing. If you want to measure mass flow differences at 1000 psi, then sure, it may be measurable, but then maybe it won't be either, depending on how good/bad the bends and transitions and welds are.

The thing that would need to be measured is the Reynolds number of the flow. The difference in the Reynolds number between the one piece vs the multi piece units will be so small, they will be irrelevant. For example (I'm making these number up given the absolute lack of emperical testing), a one piece might have a Re of 1500, while a multi piece might have a Re of 1600, while the factory unit might have an Re of 2500. Both aftermarket units will have much more laminar flow than the factory unit, hence the flow increase and power increase. The multi piece has made 8.0whp, while the one piece I have no seen testing on. Perhaps the one piece will make 8.2whp. That speculated additional 0.2hp is easily negated by a cross wind incorrectly blowing over the air filter inlet.

Most likely reason Nisei is making it one piece, and marketing it as one piece, is because it's cheaper to make that way, and people will assume it's better since there are no joints acting as flow disruptions. For cost, they need to provide fewer silicone couplers, have to do less welding, only have to handle one part in the paint/powder booth, and only have to provide shipping box packaging for one unit. All these combined saves a small amount of component cost and a large amount of labor cost. Labor is the most significant driver to cost on these types of products. For marketing, they know nobody is ever going to run an actual engineering based test on it, so no data will ever prove thier marketing is in fact only marketing.

It would be interesting to see a back to back dyno comparison of both. Maybe I'm 100% wrong and it makes an extra 10hp, but I have doubts that will be the case.

And, it is very nice looking flat black. I definately agree on that one.

 

The red finish looks sexy. Reminds me of the IX mg covers.

 

I think the one piece pipe looks much better than the 2 piece pipe. I would think that with one less hose, it would be a less chance of any problem. But what do i know.

 

Evostang, it seems like your splitting hairs and being a little unfair. Basically, you quickly speculate, theorize, apply fictitious numbers and imply the gains are little to none. On a thread where NO gains were claimed, promoted, insinuated, or mentioned. I would like to think there are ways to address your point without coming off ... and forgive me in advance for the lack of a better expression as "a matter of fact". I can appreciate your post for the point addressed about the gains but, never the less; I also gathered from your post technically, a 1pc pipe in the end is still better than a 2 pc, 3pc, etc. pipe. I can only speak for myself but, I'm confident that I'm not the only who knows that a 1pc pipe may produce little to no additional power over a multi piece pipe. That being said, I am looking at the Nisei pipe simply because, in the end I know their 1pc pipe on a technical level is still yet the best way of optimizing flow. I can only say in general by adding hoses... especially those with the hump in the middle can only take away from it. The most important factor for me as to why I want a 1pc matte black one is because it's the cleanest pipe out there! The bonus part is it fits my budget I'm willing to spend.

As for your speculation regarding their marketing and pricing I think you might not have all the information. I've read information as to why they make a 1 pc and actually they went on to explain why a 1pc is more costly than a 2 pc which is directly reflected in their pricing for their 2 pc pipes offered. In the case you were unaware Nisei makes 2 versions of 2 pc pipes and they are both cheaper than the 1pc pipe. I'm sure if you were interested you can find the information and shed some light on it. pm me if you want a link to the info.

btw, I seen your thread and want to say very nice! Are you planning on making parts for sell?

 

evoboostin, yes my numbers are speculation and I stated that. The reason I did this, is that I have found that when opinion is posted on the internet (which is what I did, posted my opinion), there often ends up being some technical rebuttal and/or flame war. This is also why I posted the "I'm not trying to start a flame war here" disclaimer. I was attempting to pre-empt the tech rebuttal and flame war.

In my past experience, I've built turbo systems for other vehicles (Mustangs) and I have done both butt welded tubing and one piece tubing for those systems. In my experienece, there was no difference in performance from one to the other. The biggest drivers to power increases in those systems were the tube diameter, and bend radii of the bends. The smooth transitions from one diameter to the next diameter or from tube section to tube section are really nice to have, but the reality is, they are a tiny restriction to flow. So, yes, the one piece will flow more, but how much more is unknown, and in my opinion it will be nearly immeasureable.

I'm pretty suprised that Niesei said the one piece is more expensive than the two piece. I would be interested in seeing the info. That may be true if they are using a manual mandrel bender. I was assuming they were using a CNC mandrel bender, and once the bend path is set up for the CNC, it's nearly a hands off operation. A manual operation would require alot of jigging and fixturing to assure quality control, and that would require alot of QC labor, which would drive the cost up alot, possibly higher than the component cost of the two piece units. I guess one should never assume.

I appreciate the compliment on the intake tube. I have not really thought too much about selling them, but if people actually wanted them, and I could make enough for a turbo upgrade or something else somewhat spendy, then sure.

 

Evostang, I hear you loud and clear, I can respect your personal findings regarding other vehicles. This is the reason why I had to post, in your original post you failed mention your past experience "based on the Mustang". Not once did your post indicate the term "mustang"while conducting your original write up. As for this forum, I'm, relatively new, that being said as far as my forum experience I've got a pretty good understanding and background on other forums.



One of the most disappointing things I've come to find in general with forums is that when you are "new"to the forum worlds or to its industry (Evos). Most tend to rely/count on or take the information to heart. Especially, from those who know a thing or two. Perhaps on occasion, take someone else's information and present it as their own or worse as fact without ever have gone through the actual experience or testing the product in question. I know you've been around the block and can tell you know more than most. Again, what I didn't see was the insight and information you posted and it's direct relevance to the product or the vehicle application. The clarity was missing from the content, thus I personally received it as "matter of fact" Had you mentioned prior experience in your original post pertaining to the Mustang, I would have received the information much better.



As for the marketing plans and pricing for Nisei I can not contribute to that topic. All I know is when I called they seemed to be very legit imho. As for the link I'll pm you and you can decide for yourself. I hope in your future post you will take into consideration that some "new guys"might be looking up to you for good sound advise.



Cheers!

 

Just installed this piece in my otherwise stock car. Love the stock look. Butt dyno def says a few ponies have arrived at my Evo's party. You can also hear the turbo spooling better too.

Complaints.. None really, other than having to remove my front bumper to REALLY tighten those clamps down because i had a whistling boost leak during my test run.

 

what color did you get any pix?

 

Matte black too. Looks the exact same as he posted but just on a rally red.

Im getting the Buscher FMIC and intake tomorrow or friday and ill take pics when i get those installed.

 

Nice, glad to hear you're happy with this. I didn't need to remove the bumper for this installation. When you get the FMIC take before and after pics of both FMIC mounted with no bumper.