and i think that's the biggest point, 20-30 hp difference. If its worth it, then go for it. But I really doubt that with all the fabbing and buying these TB, they'll be worth the money over the simple ported stock tb unless you need to squeeze out every last HP no matter the cost.

 

It's not just about HP but I want to help the motor breath by inhaling and exhaling freely. I want the car to make the power without struggling having restriction... a freeflowing high speed engine is what I desire. I just know the only thing I have not covered is the inlet manifold in my build so was wondering some others thoughts.

The thread is getting interesting and would like some more healthy discussion and advice on if you think it's worth it or not?

BRONCO.

 

Personally with what I have seen for stock frame turbo set ups you won't need any more than a P&P TB with a decent set of 2.5" - 2.75" piping (Like the Magnus setup) and a 3.5" - 4" intercooler. My Rev 3 mani helped out with throttle response due to the more even / better flow but over all the stock design is awesome. Now if I were running meth again the MAP Rev 2 or 3 intake would be a must for helping the even distribution.

Also I wouldn't bother with a big throttle body until you get to a 70+ lb/min turbo I just haven't seen where anyone has gained with them yet.

 

Hi mate a 75lbs/min to 95lbs/min can be used on the build so pretty serious flow. Cheers.

 

I made more power on a red and i was on a stock lower pipe and tb. All verified on English racing dyno. There is nothing to be had in a lower pipe. In fact i dont think there is any gains to be had in lower pipe ,02 housing, Tubular mani, most of these parts are way over rated and great power can be made on the stock parts.

 

agree with some of this , but o2 housing was shown to give gains, and tubulars give big gains on a turbo red sized or greater, as many have shown.

 

The biggest gain i have seen was from the porting i did on my head intake and exhaust, Beyond that i dont think there is a lot to gain in a stock frame turbo.

 

can you post your dyno sheet here or make a new thread? I wanna see a Red on a 2.3 powerband...

 

I tried but cant post the graph from work. Its on the last page or so of my build thread on evo x forum. The spool wasnt great but that was because of surge. The thing wanted to spool like crazy and we were always detuning because it would surge. But whp and torque were very good and there was more left in it. when i finally got it on the dyno it was having leak down issues the overall power was down quite a bit from where it had once been. The motor is out and im going back to a 2.0 if that tells you anything about my situation.

 

sweet thanks, that powerband looks like it'd be tons of fun at PGP

 

Actually, the 525 I made at AWD wasn't the number I spoke of... it was 550 after I put the ID2000's in up here in VA. Also, I did it on a 2.0L too

 

I would be curious to see the graph since im going back to a 2.0 from your graph at awd it looks like i will be loosing about 600 rpm spool. Im actually really interested in your 6262 build since i have a 3586 waiting to go on my car. Why are you going back to to the red?

 

damn, that blows, I can't even imagine what it feels like for this to happen after sinking that much cash into an engine. I was really hoping the 2.3 worked out cause thats what I wanted a couple years down the road...

I just read the thread on the other forum, ERL said they're covering shipping back to them for inspection, are you still set on the 2.0 or is that up in the air depending on what ERL comes up with? also, is this gonna be a stock sleeve 2.0?

 

I will see if I can dig up the graph... though there will be a fresh one once I get the red back on.

The reason I am going back to the red is me not needing all the power of the 6262 and with the amount that I DD my (stuck in traffic a lot) the lag is not good either.

 

Yes i am still set on a 2.0. Im sending the motor back to erl with no expectations i wanted to do buisness with english racing no matter the outcome of erls investigation. I am wanting to keep my build all in one house and english is fairly close to home and have proven to me they will bend over backwards to make a happy costomer. At this point im sure erl wants to point the finger at me and that may very well be deserved. When erl is done with the motor either they will fix it or i will fix it. I intend to send the pistons off for testing myself just so i know in my mind what went wrong here. One of our members here has a phd in metals and runs a lab in a nuclear metals testing facility and he has offered up his services to test the pistons and see if any thing can be determined one way or the other.