H Jensen

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Hi, I'm trying to plan my engine and turbo build and I have a goal. I would like too get help with what I should change and what should try and what is known to work.

First my target is to achieve 400wtq as quick as possible. My fuel will be 91 to keep things simple, when e85 is available in my area I will upgrade.

Second, This is what I have installed already and what I would like to keep working with: GruppeM intake, ETS 3.5 intercooler and UICP/LICP, ETS 02 DP recirc, UR Mini Muffler TP, AP cat back <---going to change to ETS V2

OK so this is what my planned build would be to include what I already have.
AMS 2.2L Big Bore, AMS CNC head with AMS cam, Then I'll go with either ETS or CBRD Exhaust Manifold, mated to BBX full.

Ive got a plan for the drive train but that's pretty much worked out.

This is going to be expensive but In the long run I hope this build will last me a long time too. I plan to keep this car forever and maybe just maybe pass it down to my kid(s).

Thanks for the advice and I will answer questions.

fostytou

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Thats quite the setup. I'm not an expert on it IMHO, but I think that 2.2L and head is designed for much more revs and airflow than a BBX will really give you. I could be wrong, but that is my impression. I think aftermarket exhaust manifolds are generally also for top end over quick spool, but I may be wrong in regards to these two.

The good thing is that with that combination you can get a bigger turbo and not have to worry about making that torque level lower in the revs since that engine can wind out to 10k with the proper head work.

CBRD

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The BBX full is a 57-58 lbs min turbo and in my opinion is perfect for a high revving motor especially with increased displacement-

whereas I feel the BBX lite is properly suited for a 2L motor-

cb

H Jensen

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Chad, So you belive I'll reach my 400 tq goal, with 91 or will I need the e85?

H Jensen

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What about going to a GTX3076 or the 33R?
I'm open to suggestions, the thing is I don't want to go crazy with a big turbo, I will still DD her. I feel a 35r turbo is just too big for what I want.

murlo26

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On a 2.2L motor, 400wtq should be easy on any stock frame, even on 91 I'd suspect.

RazorLab

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I've never seen any stock frame turbo make 400wtq on 91 oct on a proper mustang dyno.

The stock turbo would have the best bet getting fairly close with a 2.5L or something. Even then it might be a stretch. Or do a pull in 5th gear.

Remember usually the more lb/min the turbo is, the more the peak trq moves to the right, and the low end peak tq # goes down. Most of the time at least.

All that said, just because I haven't seen it yet over hundreds of cars on 91 oct, doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see it happen.

murlo26

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I guess I underestimate how ****ty 91 is, lol. I have never been under 400wtq since I went e85, dyno depending of course.

But i see what you mean. 91 must really suck.

RazorLab

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Thinking about this a little more, I believe I've seen 350ish wtq on a Evo 9, all bolt ons, ported, big lift cams, etc, on a stock 9 turbo, in 3rd gear. Stock 2L.

4th would probably be 360-370wtq. So I'd imagine if you stuck a 2.4L in that car it might hit 400wtq.

So it probably is possible if you are really strategic with your mods.

The problem is, if you spend all the money for a larger displacement motor, you usually also get a larger turbo and get all that nice area under the curve and stop caring about peak torque numbers. Probably why I don't see 91 oct 400wtq builds.

H Jensen

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Ok, well if all this is the case, then what would be the recommended turbo size for road race (ie: Infineon, thunderhill, etc.), DD and Top speed? I'm planning to hit 200+mph with this car.

RazorLab

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200mph+ in a Evo 10?

Gotta go big son.

35R+ (that might actually be too small)

I imagine you are already looking at the gearing you will need for 200mph+

Here are some 200mph+ Evo's to look at: (keep in mind these are about 1000lbs less then a Evo 10)

855whp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCQ7bPGYJdo

1127whp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-jdEj5eMcM

murlo26

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Gates could hit 200mph in his car but his gearing is limiting him. His car also weighs like 3000 lbs and makes 750whp, lol. So yes you need LOTS of power.

Stevo-9

Fp black on a 2.2 should come close shouldn't it? 400 tq is a ton for a daily driver IMO. Oh and please don't pass the car to your kids until they're like 30 if you do hit 400tq

H Jensen

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LOL, I'm only 27....either way yeah I'll probably request to get buried in my car...or at the least if I die of old age, die in my car so I can Haunt it.

H Jensen

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Doing the 200mph+ in the 1mile events, probably wont happen for me, I'm looking at the 5-7mile events like the salt flats. I did a little research and the minimum HP I'm looking at is about 700 hp, but reality is I will possibly need 800hp unless I reduce my weight down 500 lbs or so, that's a lot though. With this realization, 200 mph might just be out of reach for me unless I can do Magic (for now).

OK, so that GTX35R would probably be sufficient. Now exhaust manifold, 1.25" is recommended for smaller turbos and lesser HP, I could probably increase spool if I kept it at 1.25" but will I create too much of a restriction or create back pressure? So 1.5" would be recommended correct? Now will recirculated DP be a problem or should it be dump to atmosphere(not preferred)?

Now I use the GruppeM intake which is a ram intake, I really like it however with this 200mph+ path I need that higher HP numbers, I will probably need a 4" intake/MAF housing correct? Im sure something can be fabed up but what other kinds of problems am I looking at going to 4" MAF?

my UPIC and LICP is the ETS, will I benefit going to a 2.75" or 3" UPIC/LICP on this kind of build?

I was also looking at getting the Cosworth Intake Manifold for this setup, I'm sure this isn't necessary but will there be a benefit worth the cost?

Lastly, when this is going to be used for 200mph+ I'll more than likely use e85 and bring it with me.

You know, I just thought that If i got the BBX and what not, and used e85 400wtq will come easy wont it. I'll even probably see what 550hp+ from that? This would probably be more cost effective if I got 55gal drums and stored e85 at my house for race days and spirited driving, and go back to 91 for DD.

Ok I said a lot out there.