Short Throw Questions
Short Throw Questions
I know this topic has been beaten to death....I've read through every thread. Most choose TWM or Works and each swear by them.
I'm trying to narrow down which shifter I want to purchase and what bushing I want to install.
The T1R shifter looks like a great deal at $80 but it doesn't shift the center towards the driver. Is that that big of a deal? I haven't seen a lot of mention on this or the other forums about that specific one.
The ZFR looks similar to the TWM from the pictures but I haven't seen them side by side. Anyone use that one and compare it to another model?
I may pull the trigger on the TWM or Works, but if I could get some input on the other cheaper options that would be great.
I'm trying to narrow down which shifter I want to purchase and what bushing I want to install.
The T1R shifter looks like a great deal at $80 but it doesn't shift the center towards the driver. Is that that big of a deal? I haven't seen a lot of mention on this or the other forums about that specific one.
The ZFR looks similar to the TWM from the pictures but I haven't seen them side by side. Anyone use that one and compare it to another model?
I may pull the trigger on the TWM or Works, but if I could get some input on the other cheaper options that would be great.
Last edited by jt8217; Jul 31, 2012 at 12:44 PM.
There is a comment that stands out and makes me wonder about the T1R
Originally Posted by cpunlamd
This a very good comparison. IMO the Works and TWM are on 2 opposite ends of the spectrum. The Works is too close to stock for the $$, and the TWM is WAY to short in hieght making it a hassle when shifting. Not many care about slouching to the right when grabbing the shifter, but I'd sacrifice the "awesome low look" for a better functional shifter. I would definitely suggest looking into a T1R shifter. I know it will cost an extra $75, but you'll thank me in the end. I have friends with the Works, TWM, and the T1R. The T1R is shorter that the Works but taller than the TWM but the shift is almost identical to the throw of the TWM. Kinda best of both worlds IMO..
This a very good comparison. IMO the Works and TWM are on 2 opposite ends of the spectrum. The Works is too close to stock for the $$, and the TWM is WAY to short in hieght making it a hassle when shifting. Not many care about slouching to the right when grabbing the shifter, but I'd sacrifice the "awesome low look" for a better functional shifter. I would definitely suggest looking into a T1R shifter. I know it will cost an extra $75, but you'll thank me in the end. I have friends with the Works, TWM, and the T1R. The T1R is shorter that the Works but taller than the TWM but the shift is almost identical to the throw of the TWM. Kinda best of both worlds IMO..
I've never tried the T1R, but they do make quality products and I've liked everything I've tried from them. With that said, the WORKS is not at all close to stock, it's a much different/better feel. IMO, the WORKS places the knob exactly where a driver wants it.
I am looking at this as well and will go with the Works set up. I have never been a fan of SS due to the increase in effort. Kracka can you comment on this? I will be doing all the bushings and the SS.
I agree that the stock set up is positioned poorly, to far to the right. This is why I want to give this a try. I don't have a problem with the height, actually wish it was higher.
I have a Jacks trans and the CM FX400 clutch with the 8/9 CMC. Jack recomends MT90 or DQ in the trans, wondering if I should try the cocktail?
I agree that the stock set up is positioned poorly, to far to the right. This is why I want to give this a try. I don't have a problem with the height, actually wish it was higher.
I have a Jacks trans and the CM FX400 clutch with the 8/9 CMC. Jack recomends MT90 or DQ in the trans, wondering if I should try the cocktail?
Thanks for all the input. I think I'm gonna go with the WORKS+WORKS Bushings. No one seems to have any negative comments about it.
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I am looking at this as well and will go with the Works set up. I have never been a fan of SS due to the increase in effort. Kracka can you comment on this? I will be doing all the bushings and the SS.
I agree that the stock set up is positioned poorly, to far to the right. This is why I want to give this a try. I don't have a problem with the height, actually wish it was higher.
I have a Jacks trans and the CM FX400 clutch with the 8/9 CMC. Jack recomends MT90 or DQ in the trans, wondering if I should try the cocktail?
I agree that the stock set up is positioned poorly, to far to the right. This is why I want to give this a try. I don't have a problem with the height, actually wish it was higher.
I have a Jacks trans and the CM FX400 clutch with the 8/9 CMC. Jack recomends MT90 or DQ in the trans, wondering if I should try the cocktail?
The WORKS shifter doesn't require a lot of effort to move, slightly more than stock, but less than other short shifters due to height above the pivot ball. You will like it, especially if you're unhappy with the stock shifter like I was. Every time I drive a stock shifter X I giggle because it just feels silly and there is so much room for improvement. I've let numerous people drive my car once and they immediately order the entire shifter package I have the next day.
Thanks Kracka. So with the cocktail are you mixing them together then filling or are you filling with 2 quarts MTL and then topping off with the MT90? The trans only takes 2.5 quarts. And why not go with MT85?
I have used MTL in the past and it was night and day.
I have used MTL in the past and it was night and day.
I personally put in a quart of MTL, then the MT90, then top off with the 2nd MTL and it's been working perfectly for me now for 41k miles (42k miles on the car, drained the factory fluid at 1k miles). My car is the nicest shifting Mitsubishi I've driven to date.
Here's a chart I made a few years ago:
factory spec X: 75W-80
factory spec 8/9: 75W-85
MTL: 70W-80
MT-85: 75W-85
MT-90: 75W-90
cocktail X: 72W-83 (2xMTL + 1xMT90)
cocktail 8/9: 73W-87 (2xMT90 + 1xMTL)
factory spec X: 75W-80
factory spec 8/9: 75W-85
MTL: 70W-80
MT-85: 75W-85
MT-90: 75W-90
cocktail X: 72W-83 (2xMTL + 1xMT90)
cocktail 8/9: 73W-87 (2xMT90 + 1xMTL)
Last edited by Kracka; Jul 19, 2012 at 10:44 AM.
MT85 was designed for DSM/VIII/IX spec, the X is slightly different; you could probably use it if you want the simplicity though.
I personally put in a quart of MTL, then the MT90, then top off with the 2nd MTL and it's been working perfectly for me now for 41k miles (42k miles on the car, drained the factory fluid at 1k miles). My car is the nicest shifting Mitsubishi I've driven to date.
I personally put in a quart of MTL, then the MT90, then top off with the 2nd MTL and it's been working perfectly for me now for 41k miles (42k miles on the car, drained the factory fluid at 1k miles). My car is the nicest shifting Mitsubishi I've driven to date.
Thanks Kracka.
For those asking, here is what I refer to as the "Kracka shifta package" which I know a few people have called MAP asking for 
-WORKS short-shifter
-WORKS Grab shift knob
-WORKS console bushings
-WORKS cable bushings
-AMS gate selector bushing
-Torque Solution driveshaft bushings
-Beatrush rear differential bushings
-Redline cocktailX transmission fluid mix
I've bolded the specific parts I emphasize most heavily; the others can be substituted with different brands for similar results.

-WORKS short-shifter
-WORKS Grab shift knob
-WORKS console bushings
-WORKS cable bushings
-AMS gate selector bushing
-Torque Solution driveshaft bushings
-Beatrush rear differential bushings
-Redline cocktailX transmission fluid mix
I've bolded the specific parts I emphasize most heavily; the others can be substituted with different brands for similar results.


