Why can't Evo X lovers accept the facts?
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Caliberforums.com is dishing the dirt on the new Caliber SRT-4, and they don't seem too pleased. Forum member Ironside happened upon a 2008 model guide while visiting a local Dodge dealer and when he flipped through the book, he spotted the SRT specs and pics. He even photocopied the pages and posted them for proof. Many forum members seem to be let down, as the promised 300 hp is apparently not gonna happen. Here are the posted specs and a few comments:
2.4L DOHC 16V Dual VVT 4-cylinder intercooled/turbocharged World Engine with 280hp @ 6000-6400rpm, 260 lb-ft torque @ 200-5600rpm.
0-60mph = 6.2 seconds
1/4 mile = 14.6 seconds
Top speed = 157mph
The SRT-4 will have a choice of two different 19" 5-spoke rims, the painted ones like on current SRT's, and the chrome ones.
Final colours that are offered are brilliant black, sunburst orange, bright silver and inferno red (So no new colours like we'd hoped for the SRT).
The front driver seat FOLDS FLAT.
NO MyGIG.
***NEW INTERIOR*** Offered in what they call a "new completely dark slate grey" (huge improvement from the sound of it).
Thanks for the tip, Jim!
[Source: Caliberforums.com]
The actual numbers aren't necessarily bad, but after what we were promised, these seem a bit soft. There's also the feeling that perhaps 300 hp was more than the Caliber could handle, which doesn't endear it to would-be backyard tuners. Especially when compared to competitors like the Mazdaspeed3 and new WRX, the Caliber seems to do less with more. Even with a horsepower edge, the acceleration, in particular, seems disappointing. We'll have to wait for a full road test to see if these numbers are conservative.
2.4L DOHC 16V Dual VVT 4-cylinder intercooled/turbocharged World Engine with 280hp @ 6000-6400rpm, 260 lb-ft torque @ 200-5600rpm.
0-60mph = 6.2 seconds
1/4 mile = 14.6 seconds
Top speed = 157mph
The SRT-4 will have a choice of two different 19" 5-spoke rims, the painted ones like on current SRT's, and the chrome ones.
Final colours that are offered are brilliant black, sunburst orange, bright silver and inferno red (So no new colours like we'd hoped for the SRT).
The front driver seat FOLDS FLAT.
NO MyGIG.
***NEW INTERIOR*** Offered in what they call a "new completely dark slate grey" (huge improvement from the sound of it).
Thanks for the tip, Jim!
[Source: Caliberforums.com]
The actual numbers aren't necessarily bad, but after what we were promised, these seem a bit soft. There's also the feeling that perhaps 300 hp was more than the Caliber could handle, which doesn't endear it to would-be backyard tuners. Especially when compared to competitors like the Mazdaspeed3 and new WRX, the Caliber seems to do less with more. Even with a horsepower edge, the acceleration, in particular, seems disappointing. We'll have to wait for a full road test to see if these numbers are conservative.
Last edited by EvilRob; Nov 23, 2007 at 09:50 PM.
Good post. But, I gotta call you out on your reference to car audio ratings. It's a known fact in car audio that ratings are arbitraty at best. That's why a $99 sub box will state 1000W of power and get away with it. Your comparison is at best an apples to steak comparison...it's that far off. Car audio hasn't had ANY regulations regarding stated power output until the 2006 CEA ratings system was implemented in 2007 (which, to this day, is still voluntary for all manufacturers of car audio equipment). So, comparing an unregulated power ratings systems in car audio to a very strictly regulated HP ratings system in cars isn't a good comparison 
And, are you one of those guys disputing the stated ratings? In the end, stated ratings to stated ratings, the Evo X only gained 5HP and 11 LB/FT vs the IX...and 254GSR/309MR LBS increased weight vs the IX. That minimal power increase isn't enough to offset the massive increase in weight to make the X perform like the IX does. And it's not all about acceleration...I know that...but, the X will not be as fast as the IX.
My guess is that the USDM IX will be faster than USDM X in all facets. We'll see when tests come out on the USDM X (no tests have been published as of yet...but if any have, please post them...I'm eager to see).
And, are you one of those guys disputing the stated ratings? In the end, stated ratings to stated ratings, the Evo X only gained 5HP and 11 LB/FT vs the IX...and 254GSR/309MR LBS increased weight vs the IX. That minimal power increase isn't enough to offset the massive increase in weight to make the X perform like the IX does. And it's not all about acceleration...I know that...but, the X will not be as fast as the IX.
My guess is that the USDM IX will be faster than USDM X in all facets. We'll see when tests come out on the USDM X (no tests have been published as of yet...but if any have, please post them...I'm eager to see).
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The X just isn't going to have the same performance impact on the automotive scene like the Evo 8. Back in '03, the 8 was running mid-13's (0-60 und 5 sec) and outperforming a lot of cars. Here we are nearly 5 years later and the Evo will be slower, fatter and more expensive.
The X just isn't going to have the same performance impact on the automotive scene like the Evo 8. Back in '03, the 8 was running mid-13's (0-60 und 5 sec) and outperforming a lot of cars. Here we are nearly 5 years later and the Evo will be slower, fatter and more expensive.
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My butt slides faster with the heated seats turned on... but I have to be honest I would kill for OEM cruise and heated seats in my IX. The aftermarket options for these items are just cheap crap.
if the IX came with below, i wouldnt even consider the X
- climate control
- cruise
- heated seats
- AYC
- climate control
- cruise
- heated seats
- AYC
No. I'm not that extreme; however, I do remove my jack and spare, as well as the rear armrest and floor matting from the trunk 
. I just don't see a need for navigation unless you road-trip your car all the time. Besides, a good 'ol map makes road trips that much more of an adventure if I don't know where i'm going 
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Cruise control would be nice. I don't need the heated seats though. The Alcantara inserts never really feel that cold.
Just gimme cruise and an AYC .
. I just don't see a need for navigation unless you road-trip your car all the time. Besides, a good 'ol map makes road trips that much more of an adventure if I don't know where i'm going . .
Personally I think the X will be a great car and it could very well do things the IX can't. I chose to buy the 9 because I love the aftermarket support of the 4g and the years it's been in service. I also enjoy the 9 because i didn't pay 36k for it brand new :-).
The X will be great and it will be successful but ive seen enough first year car drama to know i would never buy the first production run of a new motor and chassis.
I don't think there should be so much infighting it's all the same car and we are all here for the same reason, evo's are cool!
The X will be great and it will be successful but ive seen enough first year car drama to know i would never buy the first production run of a new motor and chassis.
I don't think there should be so much infighting it's all the same car and we are all here for the same reason, evo's are cool!
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Well, stock vs stock of course the IX may win. Who knows, someone may be able to outshift a .01 sec on a 1/4 mile. Everything right now is in the air. For the X, the frame and engine alone is lighter than the IX. It ends up gaining a whole lot of weight only because of all the add ons. So if you remove those fatty items, you'll end up with that light frame and light engine. So a completely stripped X may be lighter in the end compared to the IX, no?
After the mt review it seems like a lot of the guys were right about the x,14.0 1/4 is horrible. the caliber and evo x performance numbers are almost identical while only costing $21k, so when you see that caliber srt-4 in the next lane he might give you a run for your money.
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The X just isn't going to have the same performance impact on the automotive scene like the Evo 8. Back in '03, the 8 was running mid-13's (0-60 und 5 sec) and outperforming a lot of cars. Here we are nearly 5 years later and the Evo will be slower, fatter and more expensive.
